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| | | Hey Y'all: I was just sitting here contemplating my navel when I began to think about violence and its causes. We have certainly been given a few jolts these past years and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. We have children shooting (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) I don't think that it is. The more controls in place on children, the less practice they have at operating without controls. (...) I agree with him (though probably go farther). When I get into these discussions, a few of which have been here, (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) And the less control they feel they have over their own environment. (...) Violence may be the expression of a pent up desire to control one's environment. It seems those most likely to commit egregious acts of violence are those who have been (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) For the record, I used outlet covers when my son was little and I imagine that I'll use them with the next one (due in only ten weeks!). And we have very high quality car seats -- the best that were available when we did our research, and (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Horst Lehner
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| | | | | | | Hello Chris, in general, I agree with your posting, but this one example seems odd to me: (...) Bike helmets will not prevent kids from learning that certain practices are dangerous, just limit the effect such dangerous practices can have. I think (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Horst, (...) We do it all the time. I _could_ quit my job, sell my car and stay home all the time to avoid the dangers of the road. But my off-the-cuff cost/benefit analysis suggests that the potential safety gain is not worth the cost. In (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | Hi, Chris I am merely posting my personal experience on the subject "bike-helmets", in what I think supports your point. I have had a bike accident in my own (large) garage, and I wasn't using a helmet. But that would have been no good, since I (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) This is a great question! A few days/weeks back Dan J, when asked about Hamas and Hezbollah training kids with tinfoil wrapped wooden knives to kill Israeli soldiers, responded that it was the same (or essentially the same) as American kids (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) One difference I see "in kind" is the "training" aspect of it. When I played cowboys and indians or whatever as a kid (actually, I think I did more "allies vs axis" WWII play than cowboys and indians), I was not being taught by my elders that (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) This IS a great question, and I have trouble putting my finger on the difference too. Actually I'm not terribly familiar with many video games at all, so most of what I have heard is secondhand (and I prefer to keep it that way). My impression (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) Maggie -- these kids need light guns. The time has come. I recommend a Sega Dreamcast system, and these three titles: House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Death Crimson OX. For what it's worth, all three games feature female and male (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) they (...) (4721, (...) ones). (...) Hot (...) innate. (...) The time has come, huh? House of the Dead 2? Death Crimson OX? Gee Richard, how do I know this isn't part of your plot to recruit more beings to the Dark Side? Maggie (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Children and Violence —John J. Ladasky, Jr.
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| | | | (...) [...] (...) All I can say, Richard, is don't count on answering this question easily. The debate is over 2,000 years old. In Plato's _Republic_, it is stated that only "wholesome" entertainment should be permitted in the ideal society. (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) This is especially interesting to me because they're part of the same intellectual "line." Plato was a student of Socrates, and Aristotle a student of Plato. They differed on that and many other points, but the idea behind both of their (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Don't worry--if you were a postmodernist I'd've called for your censure long ago! (...) Exactly! Dave! FUT OT.F (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, but were I a true postmodernist, I wouldn't have cared (else decried it as the futile flailing of a foiled patriarch). We'r^H^H^H^HThey're cunning that way. (...) Ah, but am *I* happening to the fire, or is the fire happening to me? :) (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Nothing (short of raising a number of kids in Skinner boxes) can *experimentally* answer this, would be my suspicion. Otherwise too many factors muddy whether it's a cause or not... (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Children and Violence —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) If there is a causal relationship that is strong enough to be worried about, then surely it is something that an attempt at correlation would find. Since such correlation hasn't been shown, I think that we can temporarily behave like there is (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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