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(...) Yes, we all have microwaves! I can throw mine a good 20 feet. :') (...) anything. (...) Libertarianism infringes on the rights of non-libertarians. (25 years ago, 17-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really! This I gotta hear. Do tell. (25 years ago, 17-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Duh! Non libertarians have the RIGHT to live in a society where if they conform to the majority opinion, they get to push the minorities around and steal their money to spend on stupid stuff like feeding the poor, drug subsidies, other (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm going to work someplace else instead of CTP. My CTP email won't work any more. That's the scoop, the whole scoop and nothing but the scoop. Really. What part didn't you get? :-) Oh, ok. It's not the whole scoop. You want more details? :-) (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) What does CTP stand for? I ask because I work for the Cartographic Technology Programs Office(1), which everyone calls CTP. :) Jeff 1 - CTP is a part of the National Ocean Service (NOS), which is a part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who's everyone in this context? CTP stands for Cambridge Technology Partners to about 4500 people that work in 50 offices worldwide. :-) That everyone may be bigger than your everyone. :-) -- Larry Pieniazek (URL) Application Integration! (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I read about CTP in InfoWorld all the time, so I'm part of Larry's everyone. (25 years ago, 18-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Technology (...) Oops... I meant 'everyone who works/associates with us'. :) There are I think 20 people who work for (my) CTP, but I'm not sure how many government agencies deal with us. Your CTP is certainly bigger! :) Jeff P.S. If you are (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Once upon a time, (on Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:52:22 GMT, to be precise!), Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities.... (...) Ah ha. Hmmmm. How much %age of the company were you offered? (25 years ago, 19-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Enough to make me quite happy. For whatever reason, in the US, it's rude to ask specific details, and it would not be prudent for me to answer publicly in more detail. Why salaries and comp are closely guarded may be an interesting .debate (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <376B8E64.D5F6383E@v...er.net>... (...) I've always assumed part of it is the corporations not wanting employees to know how bad a deal they've got. Of course a more reasonable reason is the corporation not wanting (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:34:44 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) I wasn't expecting an answer! However, good luck! It must be quite exciting to be part of a small, up-and-coming firm. I imagine, being a part of (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I'm in the process of finding a new employer now, and I'm using recruiters (headhunters) for the first time. What am I supposed to answer when they ask what I make? I'd rather not tell them, but I also don't want them to fail to pass on my (...) (25 years ago, 21-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Hmm. Tell them the truth? Or at least tell them what you'd like to be making. Steve (25 years ago, 21-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Either tell them the truth or don't tell them anything. I'm in the same boat, and if internal mobility doesn't present itself soon, I'll be revamping the resume and starting the same process. (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Tell them what you're worth (and why) and what range you're willing to accept, but not what you currently make. What you currently make is largely irrelevant anyway during the headhunting phase, especially if you are moving from MS to NJ, (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Don't answer specifically until and unless you are about to get a job offer from a specific firm. Do your research about what you are worth, then answer the "what do you make" question from a headhunter with "well below market, which is 90K (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Those are marvelous! I'm off to London on Tuesday to do work in the British Library Map Library and the War Office...er, DoD. So I do historical charts too, in a sense...I just look at charts of colonial holdings and dissect them in a dry, (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would say that it's the norm for a midwestern public university in a town where the ACCRA cost of living index is .9 or so. People move from here to industry in St. Louis or Kansas City and typically pick up a %50+ raise. Moving to the west (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) You have 150 employees working helpdesk? My God, how many students do you have? What kind of services do you provide to your students via the helpdesk? Might be scary to admit, but at a school of more than 25k students, we have 5 full-time (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) We have roughly 30K students and 10K faculty and staff since we're the home of the state university system. We run the public computing sites 800+ workstations in 15 locations. Mostly we help with the equipment in the room, but we also do (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I got a job proposal (which I'm starting on Monday), and that had a 50% jump. But I agree that a 100% jump is pretty steep. There are several reasons that I feel that I got: 1) Current programmers are focused on other things, and need somebody (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Oops ... forgot to mention that the new place is about 3 blocks away from my current place. AND, he didn't know my current salary. (...) -- Lee Jorgensen, Programmer/Analyst - Bankoe Systems, Inc. mailto:jorgensen@bankoe.moc <-- reverse moc (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) For the record none of the ~350 images I've cleaned have been uploaded yet. Anyways, what I do is take a scan of a chart and remove extranious pixels and lines from them. It is by far one of the most boring jobs in the world, but the pay is (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher L. Weeks <c576653@cclabs.missouri.edu> wrote: I'll have to respond to more of this later, especially the situation-specific stuff. Maybe privately since I would assume it might bore others. (...) No, dial-up service is not free, although (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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