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(...) Okay let's really break this down first. You have two things, A and B. A is true, but only when B is false B is true, but only when A is false A is true, and so is B, therefore the premises are false. Okay, that's some standard logic right (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this the black armband view of history or what! I think it's telling that the present govenrment refuses to apologise for a policy that was so explicitly racist. Apparently Aboriginal settlements were the inspiration for South African (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Most believers of other faiths have a holy language in which the sacred text is written: Hebrew for Jews, Arabic for Muslims, Sanskrit for Hindus. Here I'm particularly interested in how translation affects this communication between the text (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ryan Farrington writes: <much snippage> (...) I'm not going to take on the geological arguments, but I'll have a go at the biology if you like. I'm delighted to see references to scientific journals, which is as far as I (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is my final post regarding Carl Sagan and the "billions and billions" stuff. By the way, in "Cosmos" Sagan does say "billions upon billions." Anyway, this quote comes from Chapter 1 of Sagan's book "Billions and Billions": I never said it. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, my dear friend, all I can say is watch and enjoy the "Cosmos" series and tell me if he said "billions and billions." I can only repeat that Sagan said he was misquoted for using that phrase in the "Cosmos" series, that he wouldn't use such a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <many other people wrote, but the attributions have been snipped> (...) Oops, silly me. c/question/argument (...) Go ahead, amaze me. Statement: the Bible is all literal truth. Statement: part of the bible is not literal truth. I'm fascinated (...) (24 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Plymouth MA, which is the church congregation directly descending from the Pilgrim's settlement, is now a Unitarian Universalist congregation. This also reminds me of an interesting story I read in the Travel section of the Raleigh (NC) News (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh...what question? Are you getting something I'm not or did I miss another meeting? (...) A yup. (...) Not entirely true, it could all be literally true whilst parts could still be incorrect. You might ask why, but then I'd have to start (...) (24 years ago, 6-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How is that relevant to Dave's question? Ryan stated his belief that the bible (not portions, or "except the bits to test our faith") is literal truth. If one holds the entirety as literal truth, then any example of non-literal truth (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if God isn't perfect? What if he purposefully put in mistakes as a sort of "test of faith"? (...) We could be, where is your undeniable proof that we aren't? For all you know your entire reality is just some form of illusion. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 5-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the Biography special they did on him they had a clip where he said "billions and billions", but I don't recall if it was an excert from the Cosmos series or just something he did later on as a gag. Regardless of whether he said it on the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep, you are taking this way too personally. If you want to answer my email personally and discuss it, fine. Bruce (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did. That's a short time, astromically speaking. (...) And......? It's still basic bad science to draw the conclusions you are inmplying. (...) As I mentioned before, recorded Chinese geneaologies go back further than 6,000 years. That's why (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is the same old Creationist dodge: (X) scientific theory isn't PROVEN (nothing is in science - it simply shows you don't understand science when you say such things) so it's just as much an article of faith as religion. Except one is based on (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps. If either is proven false in some measure, and they likewise refuse to modify their positions, then, yes, they are bed-fellows. (...) Perhaps I did not clearly express my attitude in these comments: I mean that we as humans should (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here again, the problem is that literalists assert that The Bible *is* beyond reasonable criticism. (...) Agreed. Let us assert for the record that the so-called "Bible Code" is equally nonsensical and without meaningful predictive value. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IMO, the issue of interpretation and translations and so forth is, at a fundamental level, very simple: Reasonable, well-intentioned, well-informed, open-minded inquiry is a root necessity of any fruitful scholarly, literary, scientific, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's been a while since I heard a Highlander reference. Weren't they going to relase yet another redundant sequel? There Should Have Been Only One. Dave! (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have heard this story too but it's hard to believe! I could swear I hear him say that phrase. I do remember a SNL skit during the 1980 Presidential Campaign where they put Jesse Jackson in the hot seat with a big red nuclear launch button. On one (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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