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Not to mention the economies would just shift to compensate - nothing says the beef would all be grown in labs out of the control of farmers. Smarter farmers would create collectives and invest in the technology, with each farmer getting a share. (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand your points about the agricultural economy, and I understand about the aesthetic differences, but I think you have the disease equation bass-ackwards. In a lab, the meat could be kept 99.999% disease-free. Beef that's released (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) all (...) it (...) chunks, (...) thicknesses to (...) farmers (...) You're right Tom, we sure would. I'm from Iowa, and 18. Although my family doesn't raise cattle, it IS one of the main sources of income for this entire state. Three things: (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I REALLY doubt that. Vat-grown meat could be tailored with a specific fat content, and be basically ready to eat right out of the vat - the cutting into "steaks" could be roboticized (or the meat could be grown in "steak" shaped chunks, or (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps not... think about all that's required to maintain, for instance, Beef production. You need lots and lots of land, you need to keep your cattle healthy, feed them, move them about, etc. If someone were to come up with a relatively (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) really (...) rock (...) Cool example. I have acknowledged that there is fuzziness. But at least so far as examples of sentience I think that having eyes counts. I'm not sure that gets it off the hook regarding my morals about eating. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry about this first bit, but I want to get it squared away. Through the comment: (...) It sounds like you think I'm being less than congenial. Through the comments: (...) It seems to me that you're not being fully congenial. But in other (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, OK, I see what you want now. It is wrong to cause pain in others. This may either be 'commuted' or ignored (depending on how you look at it) when it is needed for your survival. (...) them. One has to eat something and one has to defend (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) - (...) Fair enough. Hmmmm, situational ethics, though. Them's the breaks, I guess. (...) As long as they understand the situation...okay, I might not agree with what you define as evil, but its a reasonable process. (...) Yes, that (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Gosh, these are getting long. (...) organic (...) The former. I believe that it was not evil when it was the only option. That is not the nature of evil. (...) If a person or people are given the chance to improve their moral ground, and do not, my (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, brother. I always marvel at the cleverness of that answer. (...) Since you're arbitrarily deciding what does and doesn't qualify as sentient, I'd say you're being inconsistent. You've demonstrated that you don't care to confront this in (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The box jellyfish -- posessing eyes but no central nervous system -- sees a danger and swimg away from it, but does it perceive it? (...) It's a matter of degree. The brain is simply a well-tuned bundle of cells that automatically reacts to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If (...) They are equal in that life is extinguished by both. (...) I'll get to you description below, but for now: Bzzzzt. Thanks for playing. (...) Maybe somewhat arbitrary, but not, I would say inconsistent. (...) Right, but there is (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) our (...) So it is only now that it is immoral, and not in previous generations? Or was it a necessary immorality all along? Hmmmmm (I'm pondering this, by the way - the questions are just questions). (...) What if their culture chooses to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh gosh...lots of comments to make. Don't you people realize I need to get some work done ;-) (...) what makes us different from other living things, if (...) You say this and don't seem to answer it? What are your thoughts about the differences and (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: (snipping all the things previous that I agree with - excellent analysis) (...) Indentured servitude did not give over the right to life, but it was form of slavery, so I would disagree with this (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If (...) in (...) resorting (...) Clever enough to balance our diets and clever enough to invent and operate a food production system that can produce all the food (and more) that we need without killing (well, I supose tractors do kill field (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those are the most important ones to work through. It's neat to pat yourself on the back and show off how good you are, but it's nothing compared to finding a hole and fixing it. (...) Why? Too busy? (...) I agree with all this. (...) OK. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been to a LOT of steakhouses(1) and rib places and prime rib places and I confirm that Outback is not that great. It's good enough if you don't have 3 hours and don't want to spend 50 bucks a head (not including wine)... you can 1 - I (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) If (...) the (...) decide (...) in (...) keeps (...) is (...) That's fine. But you weren't the one that recognized your infirm footing. I would not say that to someone who was unwilling or unable to examine the moral logic from the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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