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(...) I disagree :) As just because Marx described a system that involved 100% tax, it doesn't mean that 100% tax is Marxist. Leaving aside questions of how, if a sustainable Utopia was created that had 100% tax, then why not? In principle I'm (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Matthew Miller wrote in message ... (...) convince (...) Simple, don't hold corporations accountable, but human beings. As it is now, corporations are running amuck, because the people who run them are able to hide. Take away their "immunity" and (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Matthew Miller wrote in message ... (...) Wrong. You are deluded. Crack smokers are not "necessarily" bad parents. Just like social drinkers or pot smokers are not necessarily bad parents. Some people are effected by drugs differently than others. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's an interesting idea, but the legal companies you mention that thrive upon such cases are not likely to make the courts any less decongested. It's not even almost in their interest. (...) That's 2 times in 7 minutes - both times I've been (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) HEY. That is totally uncalled for. There's no reason to be calling me names. And it makes me respect you a lot less. But, to answer your question: Althought may I sound flippant, for which I apologize, I'm totally serious. People who smoke (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not what I'm saying at all, my statement above could easily have read "I believe that most people aren't part of such a community". (...) I believe that they get to spend their leave as they wish - some weeks before, some after.. go to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave Schuler wrote in message ... (...) "responsibility" (...) then? (...) from (...) fiscal (...) wealthy (...) Because man. There would be other rich people, who make money off of poorer people by suing the hell out of rich people or corporations (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So people who smoke crack are bad? Don't you? You act like it. Look, if a person wants to use crack, thats fine. If he can't manage his responsibilities, thats when his crack use becomes less than fine. Thats when he starts breaking laws and (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John DiRienzo <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote: [snip] (...) Hey John -- I started to reply to this message, but then realized I can't really. I don't understand what you mean by "right", or by "free good". Could you repond to my questions in the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38cbca36.283882876@...et.com>... (...) bit (...) I'm (...) seem (...) Do you mean you back slid Jasper? You were catching on, then refused to accept anymore of it? Well, thats cool with me. At least you still debate (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, and I've seen other such texts. I certainly wouldn't want a one-world government like that, and that's not what I'm advocating at all! (...) Ok, now we're back to the rights discussion. I don't see how a corporation gets the right to do (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <3877CEEA.506A25B3@v...er.net>... (...) Easily. Hard to believe, but true. A well run private school, whose soul purpose (i.e. one of today's public schools) is to keep kids from running the streets could cost this (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ugh, no global government, please! Ours is bad enough, thank you very much! I would love to see that monster come out. Speaking of the Bible, Matt, did you ever read Revelations? The one world government? (...) Corporations are private (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Surprisingly enough, I agree with you on this in many ways, although there are some problems where I see a federal (or yes, even global) government as unavoidable. And I think that those problems are ones that are increasing more and more as (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lindsay, (...) That's a good summation, if only I would prefer it to at least get to the community level. However, during the current administration, I don't anything will happen anyway. It has been a good discussion, for the most part. We can (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all! ;-) It simply guarantees that those who have money, be they individuals or corporations, will continute to have money and the best that it can buy, from education to property (which could thereupon be protected by these nebulous (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What happens when you have bad parents? (Such things happen. Especially if we're allowing companies to sell crack....) Whose responsibility is it then? Or do those kids just not get an education? How're they supposed to end up as good parents (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper!! If you read what you wrote, thats not a bad description of what will happen to America soon without some Libertarian intervention. Apparently Frank came up with one bad answer (1) and you guys went to town on that. In the Libertopia, its (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm going to take a LOT of convincing on this one. I don't see _how_ Libertarianism is going to hold corporations accountable at all. In today's society, huge companies have very little accountability to me at all, and they'd have even less in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[pardon the major snippage of Every Debate Known to Man ;) ] (...) I'm in agreement that it's flawed. I think where we differ is that I think it's better than nothing, whereas you believe that nothing would be better. Until it happens, the question (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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