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Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
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Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:37:17 GMT
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   Jasper!!
If you read what you wrote, thats not a bad description of what will happen
to America soon without some Libertarian intervention.
   Apparently Frank came up with one bad answer (1) and you guys went to
town on that.  In the Libertopia, its not the corporations' "responsibility"
to fund education, but the peoples' (such as parents of children).  Some
parents will opt for similar (cheap) education to what we have now (day
care) while others will opt to send their children to better schools.
Better schools will be more affordable, because they will not have to
compete with so called free schools, and will therefore have higher
enrollments.  Also, the parents will not have to pay twice for their child
to go to a better (what we call private these days) school. Twice - i.e.,
once in taxes, second in tuition.  Any questions?

1 - actually the answer wasn't bad at all, but just not as basic as it could
have been.  You guys need everything spelled out, don't ya?  :-)  I can not
doubt, though, that his answer has merit - of course corporations would
"donate" money to education.
--
   Have fun!
   John
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38d8d947.353285956@lugnet.com>...
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:43:07 GMT, "Richard Franks"
> <spontificus@__nospam__yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jasper Janssen writes:
> 
> > > Sounds like slavery, by any other name.
> > 
> > Yep!
> 
> Ah, good, so I was not wrong about you ;)
> 
> > Actually, I agree - but the Frank's assumption that I was responding to • was
> > that corperations would invest in education because the job market would • become
> > so tight due to the benefits of Libertarianism.
> > 
> > You could probably conjecture that under a Libertarian system, companies • would
> > start taking a longer view?
> 
> _if_ the job-market becomes tight, corporations will want to deal with
> that _now_, because they'll have not planned in advance. Their way of
> dealing it will include, but is not necessarily limited to: Go broke.
> Invest majorly in machinery. Move factories out of the country. etc.
> 
> All options that are cheaper and work on a far smaller timescale than
> training children. You're eventually left with a country that has only
> the service industry, R&D, and military spending. You _may_ be able to
> sustain consumerism-driven service industry for a while on the backs
> of the other countries' whose profits you're raking in, but sooner or
> later, they will start to protest.
> 
> Also you'll be left with an economy with no use at all for even
> slightly unskilled work.
> 
> I'd like to see you make an unemployment-free economy out of that.
> Tight, maybe. But only at the very high levels of intelligence and
> education. The rest will be unemployed and either be sustained on
> charity, or die.
> 
> > Companies sponser high-school kids just now, that is 5-10 years foresight • in
> > our existing system!
> 
> Shockhorror. What do you mean by "sponsor"?
> 
> > > Which individual donors decide _how_ to spend.
> > 
> > Libertarian documentation speaks of private charities, which I'm assuming • is
> > something that takes donations and doles out the money to respective • services?
> > Or does each service have its separate private charity?
> 
> See how it's organised now - charities can be, say, the neighbourhood
> church/library/etc., they cab be Greenpeace or the WWF, or anything in
> between. They could be an organisatrion dedicated to, say, archeology.
> 
> > Also mentioned is tax-credit incentives for people who pay money to a • charity.
> > If the incentives differ for each charity then the individual is coorced • into
> > supporting services which they don't want to.
> 
> Usually/around here, the definition of charity is usually "non-profit
> organisation".
> 
> Jasper



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  Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
 
(...) What happens when you have bad parents? (Such things happen. Especially if we're allowing companies to sell crack....) Whose responsibility is it then? Or do those kids just not get an education? How're they supposed to end up as good parents (...) (27 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
 
(...) And some will send their children to school not at all, which is the whole crux of the argument. Jasper (27 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) Ah, good, so I was not wrong about you ;) (...) _if_ the job-market becomes tight, corporations will want to deal with that _now_, because they'll have not planned in advance. Their way of dealing it will include, but is not necessarily (...) (27 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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