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Reply-To: mattdm@mattdm.org Message-Id: <slrn85lsvu.1dq.matt...ia.bu.edu> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (UNIX) (...) *shrug* It's snooping in stuff that they've made publicly available. Walking down the public alley behind a store because you're curious (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh heh. No no, I mean when you find some directory with 755 permissions (instead of 711 permissions) and it's got no index.html file, but it's got a home.html file linked to from elsewhere, and home.html contains links to 5 images in its (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean you go back and see what you should have felt guilty about, in retrospect? I think that's going a bit overboard! (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't mean it quite that literally. Correcting an obvious typo or fixing broken \'s to /'s is something I think anyone could do without feeling guilt! :) I meant things like trying to guess names of files from partial information, or if (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm coming to think so too. To me, this is fundamentally why we have a URLs -- Uniform Resource Locators. The ability to identify and access resources directly is a basic design decision underlying what makes the WWW what it is. If the intent (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably. (...) Maybe you haven't spent much time on personal homepages. Misspelled links in the source are more common than correct ones, it sometimes seems. Oh, and of course all webdevelopment gets done on case-insenstive FAT16/32. And then (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, maybe that's the heart of the controversy right there! I dunno about the net population at large, but I'd certainly experience guilt feelings if I summoned up an image to which there was no readily- obvious hyperlink, because I'd assume (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Anything in a store _is_ for sale. Anything that isn't for sale isn't _in_ the store, it's _a part of_ the store. That's the only way for the analogy of the web to a store even to remotely work. (...) No he doesn't. He agrees with me in every (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aha. Flawed analogy. There were NO SHEETS. It was not only out in the open, it was in the main room of the party. Jasper (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see how this corresponds. 1. She didn't invite people over specifically to see her paintings, she invited them to housewarming which happened to display a few paintings. On the other hand, the entire purpose of Lego's web site is to (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) False analogy. Your conditions don't match Lego's, at least in my estimation. If you stated that the artist's display was on the street, in public, and has the other works uncovered in an inconspicuous but equally public location, then we have (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All right. You have this artist friend. She paints things. She invites you and fifty other people over for a housewarming party. Great party, lots of fun, lots of neat things going on. She's got a couple of her latest paintings up on display, (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe I saw it in the GR Press but I can't be sure of the reference chain beyond that. Hey, it fit my preconceived notions about the national press so I bought it. :-) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...unlocked, with the keys in the contact, pink slip on the dashboard, and with a sign in the window saying in large, friendly letters "This car is free to anyone who wants it". Just to complete the analogy, and all. Jasper (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Nope, it's not. It's a very close analogy to what Jasper posted: "Yes, it is. Anything on an unsecured webserver is being published." Which you refute much more logically below. (...) Yes, but we're disagreeing on what consitutes "documents (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, this whole thought of calling it "snooping" seems ridiculous to me. How many times have you had to manually edit URLs you've come across because they just didn't plain work until you "hacked" away at them? If it's world-readable and (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. If I can see by normal means (no serious hacking) using a normal URL and a normal web browser some information that Lego doesn't want me to see, then the fault lies with the webmaster of that site, not me. "We put all this info here (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a false analogy. Obviously, not everything on the web server itself is public. For example, www.lego.com runs on Microsoft IIS on top of NT 4 -- obviously the system software is not publicly viewable. But everything in the "documents to (...) (25 years ago, 17-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to put to fine a point on it...hogwash. That's the same logic as "Anything in a store is for sale, that's what a store is FOR." James (URL) (25 years ago, 17-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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