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  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Convenient how you "missed these other points out." (...) You don't have to be Christian to believe the Old Testament. And you don't have to believe that it is a literal account of history to recognize that the books of the Bible contain (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
--snip-- (...) I was going to say nothing in response to your response and I will leave out the rest of it but... I just can't believe that you seriously expect me to take the writings in Genesis as part of a logical argument. I really can't. I'm (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Sounds like different shades of the same color to me. (...) Ah, yes. A post that I made within hours of discovering JLUG is proof positive that I hold a lingering grudge these many months later. The logic is undeniable. (...) I didn't realize (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) I'll jump in here and (not having read the whole thread) I'm sure I'll state something that's blatantly obvious and has (probably) been stated-- Censorship is some form of management (parent/school board/society) *denying* access to some (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Let me spell out the difference: on one you single out a post for the warning, on the other it covers the whole site. Understand now? (...) I believe there's ample proof that you do hold something against JLUG. You even went so far as to (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Cute! (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) All censorship is equal, but some censorship is more equal than others. (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) So how is that different from having to click an extra link to see the "un-murfled" version of a message? Do you recognize only shades of grey, but not shades of pink? (...) Well you've got me wrong there. I believe there is ample proof in the (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
--snip-- (...) Not that interested to be honest. I've read most of his books and the only ones I can think of that are relavent are 1984 and Animal Farm (and posible some snippets from Shooting an Elephant). Obviously my joke about Keep the (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) I said "Animal Farm" because I got sick of typing "1984." The intended joke was that you would scour every George Orwell book that you could get your hands on to find something, anything to support your argument. But (URL) it wouldn't be the (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) I would trust you on this had you not brought up Animal Farm. (...) Where did I say you did? You dropped a comment on Animal Farm in reference to Doublespeak, I pointed out that it was from 1984 alone. (...) It doesn't have to mean the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) I didn't "bother to correct it" because I recognize that the term "doublespeak" has largely entered the public vocabulary as a result of Orwell's work, even if he himself didn't coin the term. Likewise, the Wikipedia article that you cited (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Not to mention underscores in FTX URLs along the way, and un-matched footnotes ;) Well OK there was only </off-topic/debate/?n=28373 one of each>, I guess I like the occasional hyperbole. Is that Orwellian???? ROSCO (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Yeah I noticed that ;) I also missed out a 'd' on an 'and' in my subsequent response. --snip-- Tim (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) <snip> (...) says the man who used the word 'now' where the word 'no' should be... :) (...) <snip> (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Yeah, that's why I retroactively added the word "perceived" :) (...) Um, I still have to disagree (unless you're saying that this IS an issue for YOU). At least from my standpoint. I know I wasn't upset that "person X" had the power, I was (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) I'd stress the word "appearance" since I continue to believe there was no power abuse at that time. But the notion certainly had a lot to do with the ensuing chaos. To me, it comes down to, "I don't believe that person X should have power over (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) Agree. From my standpoint, people involved at the heart of the debate didn't so much object to the existance of that power, they mostly objected to the perceived misuse of that power. Certainly, the possibility of moderation was objectionable (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
--snip-- (...) OK (...) OK. I was pretty much a lurker at that time so I really didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. (...) From my observations that wasn't the only reason nor even the main reason. From my solo, lurking position (as in (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Should AFOL websites keep to themselves?
 
(...) I'm not advocating it be changed, at this point. A couple of years ago, I tried. Now... no. Lugnet will continue to be Lugnet for the forseeable future. (...) Actually, Todd was fully behind the push that Lenny and I were involved with, but I (...) (18 years ago, 12-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)


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