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(...) John said "Bush is brilliant" and that is what I am arguing about. Not "Clinton is an idiot". John is playing a game: Bush is not responsible for anything that has gone wrong, it's all Somebody Else's Fault. Essentially, he's trying to drag (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There haven't? This was in all the papers, news, etc. shortly after major combat was allegedly 'ended'. (...) But at the same time even Bill Clinton when president stated that sooner or later the U.S. would have to deal with Sadam and his (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A couple of points: To date, no huge mass graves have been found, so we're left with the uncomfortable problem of explaining where the 1.5 million bodies went. And I'm not looking for Pol Pot's "show me the bodies, or else there was no (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So what about the 1-2 hundred thousand Saddam was not able to kill as political prisoners? (the longer we go the highet that number gets) It is estimated he killed 1.5 million between the two Gulf wars. Now don't get me wrong there are a lot (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dubya can't on one hand claim that the UN is irrelevant while on the other hand condemning Saddam for disobeying the UN's resolutions. Additionally, it's not up to Bush to enforce the UN's resolutions; do you propose that the US act as the (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm usually wrong about how to reason with John, so maybe I should just shut up. But would it make things easier if those of us who think that Bush was seriously negligent in his handling of the intelligence regarding the 9/11 attack admitted (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, okay; now I see where you were going with my hypothetical. With this knowledge, I think we can dispense with hypotheticals. (...) Hmmm. Right? No. Yes. Legally, of course, you have every right to do what you are doing and that is only (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have some comment on the tip of my tongue about what you could be eating in the meantime, but somehow, (hint, it involves the President's last name) I'm not sure I can say that on Lugnet. _ :-0 - Is it still missing, by the way? (Munch's The (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe that military intervention was warranted, given Rez 1441 and SH's complete and incomprehensible stupidity about not coming clean WRT WMDs. If you are searching for a smoking idiot, surely it is he! (...) Hmmm. What is your evidence? (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fair enough. (...) Okay. But I reserve the right to have you eat magpie and admit you were wrrrrr if they turn up in Syria or somewhere:-) (...) Check (URL) this> out. (...) And his triumphs, I presume. Fair enough. (...) Why no video? (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That would be included in what I said. However, there are no WoMD and no Al Qaeda connections. Bush can believe what he wants, but I am saying he should be held accountable for his mistakes. (...) He just released a new claim that America is (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are counting embassy land as official territory of Australia, and that's fine. (...) Say it with pride, Ross! I salute Australians and their courage to stand up and offer their sons and daughters as sacrifices for the cause of Freedom. The (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I believe Australia is also playing a small part in the "war on terror", as well as Iraq. I guess we haven't been as lucky as the US. (URL) well. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, I guess. ROSCO (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I believe that the Bush administration believed he had them and could at any time make them available to al-Qaeda. That was the source of the immediacy, not that some attack was imminent. (...) Do you have a better explanation of the (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I hadn't seen that piece, but I cited a few yesterday with the same sentiments (URL) HERE> (...) Is not the market a two-way street? They should need us as much as we them. (...) And therein lies the rub. Sure, what's the difference (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you referring to this op-ed piece cited in : (URL) MSNBC> (also cited in about a bazillion other places) (...) Don't confuse selling us something with not wanting our input into their internal processes. Our "friends" the Saudis are HAPPY (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What is the link with Islam? I thought the trouble in the ME was due to Israeli nationalism, not Islam. Perhaps you could share your source with us? Scott A (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is the opposite not also true? If you think not, read what the Mitchell report says about Israeli schools. Scott A (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I wouldn't state that Dubya The Idiot did nothing. He did something--he told all his buddies--remember that many of them didn't, or wouldn't, fly in the preceeding weeks leading up to 9/11. Note that this pre 9/11 (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look up the quote chain and you'll see I established "immenent use of WoMD". Basically, you are agreeing with me. All you did is weasel in the words "bad man". (...) You accept that lame explanation? You are satisfied with that? A shrug of the (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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