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  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
These are MLF answers mind you, not my personal view which is a bit muddier (...) I suspect you're not going to do that but OK, I'll play along. (...) Check. (...) Check. (...) Not legitimately directly from other countries. Only from privateers who (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) ooh.. i know! Maybe I'm not man enough! (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) "no intervention" - the UN has repeatedly placed economic sanctions on countries for human rights abuses. "slaughter" is a loaded term. A nation has a right to defend itself from insurgents and rebels. A nation has a right to enforce its own (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) I'm curious--under the Flash(tm) philosophy, what happens if one sovereign nation invades and subjugates a second nation, thereby imposing the sovereignty of the invader over the invaded? What kind of action can be taken in response, since the (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) Well, let's talk about this, then, and keep it entirely in the realm of hypothetical. Country A is oppressive. A majority of citizens of Country A decide to have a 'revolt' to shake off the tyrannical oppressive gov't. Can the citizens get aid (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) I just finished replying to your message where you did indeed dodge the question, so I gotta say that you ignorant claim is pretty darn ignorant. :-) (...) Of course not. I was merely trying to get you to confront the logical extension of your (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) In my experience, extreme examples do more to mud up the argument rather than cutting to the essence. The key issue is regarding WW2 and the Holocaust is that nation sovereignty wasn't an issue for either case (the war or the genocide). (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) The Macho Libertarian Flash(tm) answer is that there is NO justification, short of actually being invaded by another sovereignty and needing to repel the attack, that justifies attack on another sovereign country. Nor is there any (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Reading in steep decline?
 
"Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@...areDOTcom> wrote in message news:I0JqsJ.8C7@lugnet.com... (...) to me, (...) act of (...) do, in (...) open on the (...) Not if the reader is driving a Humvee... Reading really is a set of skills: 1. (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) A dodge, but I'll go with the flow: then you believe that international law supports that any nation recognized by the U.N. is free to slaughter its inhabitants at will and no intervention is just? (...) I'll lay it out to you the same way I (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) But that was just an extreme example of what I said. It was a starting point for distinguishing what you really think about the role of sovereignty in our war-decisions. Do you think that a nation can act to cause harm to its own population (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) Dave. You are now my hero. I will make an effort to read OTD regularly from now on so I can catch every snipet of ignorance that falls from your golden mouth. -Lenny (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Reading in steep decline?
 
(...) That doesn't count as reading either! ... but it does count as evolution in action. (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) It always bums me out when I discover that someone hasn't been reading any of my posts. Dave! 8^) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Reading in steep decline?
 
(...) The way I heard it was, around 1450 or so, a learned scientist did a study on the phenomenon, which supported the claim, but since he was not really happy with the results, his method of "publishing" was to ask his son to memorise the whole (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) Well, when you ask it, it seems well thought out and even-headed. I do believe, what Bruce actually asked me was if I supported Hitler killing the Jews - which is not well thought out, not even headed, and offensive. i tend to respond to guff (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Reading in steep decline?
 
(...) It doesn't count as reading while driving unless the book is propped open on the steering wheel. Dave! (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Reading in steep decline?
 
(...) I saw an 'Outer Limits' ep about this very thing People worldwide could 'plug into' the 'net and get any info they need instantly. The 'net was run by one giant 'puter. However, there were a very small number of people, whether due to birth (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) No. I'm saying why oppose Saddam whilst supporting other problem countries. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 7-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Reading in steep decline?
 
(...) I agree. While training for my esteemed current vocation, I had to attend a session re: business communication. The central tenet was that people simply don't correspond as much as they used to, and the lecturer cited some (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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