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Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:58:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:

I do believe, what Bruce actually asked me was if I supported
Hitler killing the Jews...

But that was just an extreme example of what I said.  It was a starting point
for distinguishing what you really think about the role of sovereignty in our
war-decisions.

Do you think that a nation can act to cause harm to its own population without
ever threatening the sovereignty of the neighbors to such a degree that invasion
of that country -- violation of their sovereignty, is justified?

We can imagine a case in which traditional human rights abuses aren't even a
factor.  What if it turns out that rain-forest depletion becomes a risk for
making the planet uninhabitable?  Are we justified in invading Brazil (or
Malaysia, or whatever) to protect the Earth?

The essence of this is the question: What's so important about sovereignty?

Chris



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  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) The Macho Libertarian Flash(tm) answer is that there is NO justification, short of actually being invaded by another sovereignty and needing to repel the attack, that justifies attack on another sovereign country. Nor is there any (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) In my experience, extreme examples do more to mud up the argument rather than cutting to the essence. The key issue is regarding WW2 and the Holocaust is that nation sovereignty wasn't an issue for either case (the war or the genocide). (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) Well, when you ask it, it seems well thought out and even-headed. I do believe, what Bruce actually asked me was if I supported Hitler killing the Jews - which is not well thought out, not even headed, and offensive. i tend to respond to guff (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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