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Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:31:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
> >
> > > I do believe, what Bruce actually asked me was if I supported
> > > Hitler killing the Jews...
> >
> > But that was just an extreme example of what I said. It was a starting point
> > for distinguishing what you really think about the role of sovereignty in our
> > war-decisions.
> >
> > Do you think that a nation can act to cause harm to its own population without
> > ever threatening the sovereignty of the neighbors to such a degree that invasion
> > of that country -- violation of their sovereignty, is justified?
> >
> > We can imagine a case in which traditional human rights abuses aren't even a
> > factor. What if it turns out that rain-forest depletion becomes a risk for
> > making the planet uninhabitable? Are we justified in invading Brazil (or
> > Malaysia, or whatever) to protect the Earth?
> >
> > The essence of this is the question: What's so important about sovereignty?
>
> The Macho Libertarian Flash(tm) answer is that there is NO justification, short
> of actually being invaded by another sovereignty and needing to repel the
> attack, that justifies attack on another sovereign country.
>
> Nor is there any justification for preventing citizens from *volunteering* to
> fight on their own recognizance (with the proviso that they're on their own and
> no rescue will be forthcoming if they get captured) for or against a foreign
> power, or raising funds for causes they believe in.
>
> In that ideal answer there is no problem such as you pose, the answer is always
> no, you're not justified.
>
> The problem is, while it's a goal to be strived for, it's not a practical answer
> in all cases.
Well, let's talk about this, then, and keep it entirely in the realm of
hypothetical.
Country A is oppressive.
A majority of citizens of Country A decide to have a 'revolt' to shake off the
tyrannical oppressive gov't.
Can the citizens get aid from other countries? Can they call on Country B to
assist them in the overthrow?
Dave K
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