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(...) True, but it didn't start that way. And if the farmers in 1775 had quietly rolled over and turned in their guns, the army of 1776 would not have been able to be raised. Here's a pretty good short account of the day: (URL) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, I just don't think many people really think about the implications of 1775 (which is actually far more relevant to this debate than 1776, by 1776 the whole thing was well under way). How many people have thought about the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't it a massive insurrection against a tyranny? Didn't the newly started country raise a rather large army to ward off the Brits? Wasn't it, then, really, an army against an army? Whether you Yanks partook in gurrilla warfare in the woods (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This depends heavily on where you go to. If you go above the Arctic Circle, the sun never sets during mid-summer. In Oslo, which is around the 60° Nothern latitude, the sun sets for around three hours in summer, but with the sun just beneath (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Dave! I'm posting here because I know you will read this... are you comming tonight, and if so can you bring your laptop? Jeff VW Did I just go Off Topic in .off-topic? (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) I've wanted to visit a few places in the world since I was a kid--Austailia, Denmark, others... Now Norway's on the list. Sun barely sets at all in the summer? Think of the tan! :) Dave K (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And if there was a revolt today against Dubya, why do you think it would not be a war time scenario, or that the opposition wouldn't form into an army? Or that the armed opposition wouldn't have come from home? And the point was that you kept (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And your gun in your house helped how? You bring up non-sequiters. Police corruption isn't fixed by having a gun in your house, it's fixed by 'the people' getting active--voting, educating, and fixing the system. And none of that requires a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I found this article to be somewhat inaccurate. For example, it states that more than 40% of academic posts are held by women. This is far from the truth. In the Universities, the vast majority of the higher academic positions are still held (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, that is seriously a load of crap. The U.S. is practically a warzone depending on where you live and the color of your skin. I have mentiond here before that I know of several instances of police abuse amongst people I know -- immediate (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And we're back to appealing to what's going on in *other* countries and in other times. In *America*, *today*, your gun in your house does *nothing* to preserve your freedom. Your gun in your house takes away the freedom of your fellow (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure you've shown that, actually. Note please that I am not asserting that (for example) the US is not a socialist state, for it is... I'm merely talking about the general case. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The point is that we don't live the same way today as we did in '76. And we don't live in the civil war era. And, again, both condtions were war-time scenarios, and, again, both times there were armies involved. THe civil war was the army of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) I've been addressing it from the beginning--An armed citizenry is not needed I've talked with my local MPP, I've spoken with other politicians at various levels of political power (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is a false argument; there is no country which is "free in all senses of the word". Just like there is no country which is completely socialist or completely free market. (...) I agree; the centre-left approach to life in Norway, Sweden (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Kennedy's 'Texas' remark stirs GOP reaction (URL) He said Bush officials had failed to account for $1.5 billion of the $4 billion the war costs each month, citing a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office. "My belief is this money is being (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In what way are people in more socialist countries less free than ourselves, Lar? We are progressively taxed, we have social programs, etc. I'm not seeing the big difference. We pay the same but get far less for our $$$. I hate to say it, but (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But a world with complete (personal) freedom can't exist because the more freedom you get the nearer anarchy you get and then you lose the freedom because another persons 'freedom' impinges on yours. To my mind a county like Denmark (which has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure they are. Show me a socialist country where you are free, in all senses of the word. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is this thread called Liberty vs Socialism? Liberty and socialism aren't opposites anyway Tim (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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