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(...) Correct, but I'm pretty sure that you would have to go pretty far down the pike in order to get to a Democrat, which is really what this whole thing is all about (partisan politics). JOHN (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think it will go anyhow; the state of CA has been going w/out a budget for days now and this Californian would rather see money for a re-election go elsewhere, like education and health services. But speaking as a native Californian, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Impeachment would take focus away from Iraq -- and we need to get out of there in a big hurry -- so I'm not for impeachment, not exactly anyway. I just favor anyone but Shrub the next time around. But whomever we get, we will get the president (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course, if you simply hate Liberals, then Feinstein slithers, but at least she isn't an incompetent do-nothing. (...) We don't get a choice: it would be Cheney. I just had to one-up the Feinstein scenario you dread. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not clear why this is unrelated -- it seems very related to me, and also an obvious example of the U.S.' very poor foreign policy as a whole. The other issue is shelf-life: it is my understanding that most of this stuff has lost its (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: (snip) I'm curious. Elsewhere in this thread the recall of Gray Davis was mentioned. I happen to think that a bad idea because I think that that could open the door for someone really horrible to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We have to be careful about that kind of assertion, though, because it's after-the-fact and is succeptible to tremendous spin. Additionally (though not conclusively) I've heard the point put forth most vehemently by conservative pundits, who (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well from all 3 Economics classes I have taken through high school and college all three teachers/professers have stated that a President and Congress's effect on the economy shows up about 10 years after the fact. Sort of a catch 22, the government (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First you must demonstrate that it's obvious. Then you must demonstrate that it's biased. Then you must demonstrate that it's a source. (also riffing on that previous joke (for those joining us late)) (...) I confess that I'll miss him, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As to whether Harry Browne is running(2) again, let us hope not. Yes, some Libertarians lie/cheat/steal... but we don't claim to be perfect, just forgiven... er wait, wrong tagline, try that again.... but we are actively working to make the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's a good counterpoint from (...) This quote was taken from (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I failed to include my cite: (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You make a good distinction. In the interest of fairness and disclosure, I offer some documentation of my assertion: Dubya's speech on 10/7/03 included the following statements: re: active biological/chemical weapons program: (...) and a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My Grandfather sent this to me via e-mail. I don't know if its true but it should be. ---...--- The following is an answering machine message for the Pacific Palisades High School in California. The school and teachers were being sued by parents who (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You assume that because the U.S. doesn't know where stuff in Iraq is that the Iraqi leadership did not know where the stuff is. Simply not finding anything is not proof that there is/was nothing to find, it only means we haven't found it. We (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Or become a scofflaw and ignore it. Or rationalize rewriting the law for yourself (sometimes known as pushing the limit to see if it really is a limit): all posted speed limits are really five MPH faster than listed, or heck, this road is a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Clearly all false... But I'm not sure he actually CLAIMED those things (what he did claim was bad enough in the lying department, though...), Dave! (...) I'm still in the "maybe" camp on that one, Dave! (...) As usual when discussing (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But that's not the issue. The issue is that Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice (among other admin officials and toadies) asserted that Saddam was an active and immediate threat with an active chemical/biological weapons program and an active (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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