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(...) You're on the right track, but (if you'll forgive me) I think your assessment misses the real problem. Bush and Ashcroft and Cheney and the rest (and Clinton et al, to be fair) know EXACTLY what rights are, and that's why they're working so (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. In case an RPG had been fired, people (near it) in the hotel would have been able to tell and run away. And the response would have been proportional. Then again, was there a sniper? (...) Would a sniper be so IDIOT to the point of (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The answer is simple: they were under fire. You can't wait around for a Delta Force team to be rounded up, briefed, assess the situation, and then make a strike. Mortar rounds are coming in *now*. I don't think asking guys in a tank to take (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is that Patriot Act? I love your answer! Sarcasm is always very funny! Indeed, if I stopped questionning the almighty and righteous american saviors, I'd have more friends, but alas! I'm not a sheep... Terry www.rotule.qc.ca (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But it doesn't make it better, because you could be wrong and all those sheeps would follow the wrong leader, just as it's the case with Bush and his followers. Your argument is biased by the fact you think (or give the impression that you (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would also add that even the people that make these laws and acts don't truly understand the meaning of them. When the founding fathers of the USA wrote the constitution, they understood far more than the present govt what "rights" mean. The (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the sniper had fired an RPG at the tanks instead of an AK-47 (or whatever), would you likewise assert that the targeted soldiers should hunker down and wait? And, once you agree that the presence of an RPG changes things, you'll need to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not hang its butt. Just a little more observation skills, to be put to work before the shootout. (...) If I did, would I have posted? (...) You said it. Pedro (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll grant that the average person on the street isn't applying critical thinking, and probably even many of us "smart" folks take the easy way out frequently, but someone has to keep their mind open. Personally, I don't think it actually (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. (...) It's not just "wait for orders"; is "wait for superior assessment of the altered situation". The hotel, which would in abstract be a non-target, might become one AFTER command's assessment of the situation. They receive info from the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're absolutely right, Scott--we should work to keep them oppressed so that they don't have the chance to oppress anyone else. Shame on you for your xenophobic, inflammatory, and fear-mongering assertion. (...) Of course he will, if there's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if they didn't have a special ops team? You seem to want the military to hang its butt out to avoid any possibility of injuring non-combatants. If the good guys always fought the way you seem to want them to, we wouldn't be living in (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to sort through your "newspeak" yesterday, citizen, but I couldn't really connect the dots. Why don't you try to explain your position on this "holy" war to the individual pictured here: (URL) hope your god has comforts and (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then you've probably seen it. I'm still looking for the video, though. (...) I still maintain the crewmen could have chosen to look more carefully. The hotel has enough side clearance to stand isolated, so there are no distractions to it. e (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what - you soot the mosque next to the tank, or the tank? Do you shoot the hospital wards next to the AA, or the AA? Or in this case, does the tank shoot at the MoI (target), or the hotel some 100+ meters from it? (...) Precisely. Those are (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Terry is 100% right. One thing though: the details of the anti-war side are hard to discuss because every point is at least a sub-argument. Nothing is a given because some things remain speculative because the only available knowledge is outside (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but it puts you in the center of the crosshairs. With a Patriot Act that may never expire maybe we can some day figure out a way to reach across the border and drag you down here to suffer the penalty of U.S. law. Collaborator. You are (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank, do you really think the people who are expressing stupid opinions such as : "USA is supported by God" or "SH is the Devil and we HAD to get rid of him, there was NO other solution!!!" will listen to any good argument? They are blind to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, the war isn't a waste of time, so we should just go on about our business and not talk about it and build some LEGO instead? Personally, while I think some of the opinions are wrong here, I think it's good to talk about what's going on. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do they have to wait for orders from above for ANY threat? How far up do they have to go to wait for orders? Does each soldier have to call Bush (commander in chief) on the phone before shooting someone who might be a non-combatant? Soldiers (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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