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(...) I regret to hear it's no longer there. If I find this video on the web, would you care for me to send it? (...) The footage showed some 5 secs of the tank turret taking aim, then shooting, then the camera shook. If the tank and the target had (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please elaborate. Personally, I think a (known to be occupied) hotel is a "don't shoot" place, much like a hospital. If the troops see anything that disproves that, then they should report to the hierarchy and ask for orders. It was a very (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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SO WHAT - GO BUILD SOME LEGO - (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) Why should he stop his lieing now? Dubya's lied to us so much since the word 'Go' that even if it was noon in Arizona and he told me that the sun was up, I'd look out a window to (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you think LBJ got to be governor? Ahhhhhh, Texas politicians, ya gotta love em! ;-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I presume you are in the U.S. for the purposes of the next comment, but even if you are not -- the point is a sound one. I didn't vote for Gore myself, but I ask you: do you really want to live in a country where the elections are being fixed? It's (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually motives are a good question. What possible motive could they have had to kill *any* journalist, that would have provided a benefit to them that was worth all the bad press they are receiving now? They have been going out of their way (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Dubya can have his brother appointed governor of Iraq, and have the Florida election commision make sure that those he doesn't want having ballots don't get them or.... We can trade zingers, Scott, but the real point is do you believe Bush (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or AlGore can get that bald guy with the glasses to continue recounting hanging chads until he gets the result that he wants. Scott (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) option with the exceedingly long lag delays. Neither the story nor the video. The video would only be conclusive if it showed the whole incident from start to finish, not just the moment of firing. (...) Regarding reports: see what I mean? (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that happens, then Dubya can just have the Supreme Court overturn the Iraqi election. Dave! (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) from the article: "With a long career centered mostly in the Middle East, administration officials describe (Barbara) Bodine as an Arabist who favors traditional, "stable" Arab regimes - the kind where democracy does not flourish." Note that (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First Al Cezirah Baghdad office (bombing, 1 cameraman died, three injured), then Abu Dabi TV Baghdad office (tank fire, no causalties), then Hotel Palestine (tank fire, two died, three injured). All in yesterday, all in just a single day. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not because we can't win the war, but because we're already setting up to lose the peace: (URL) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure I agree with that, exactly, it's rather a long chain of inferences. (...) So stick to them, Dave! They're sufficient. (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Not by any definition I'm familiar with - why do you think it suggests 'dozens'? We have a coalition government in Australia (and it's often refered to as 'The Coalition') which consists of only two parties. (And I note that our (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll agree they probably didn't give an order that the building should never be shot at. I think that order would be just as idiotic. I don't think they shot at it just to shoot at reporters though either. Which some news reports have (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one was. See it in www.euronews.net (choose language first; by the time I'm writing this, it's the second video on the main stories page - requires real player to be seen). The story is here: (URL)b) "unclear", my @$$. European network (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tanks are not necessarily buttoned up (hatches closed with the crew inside). I don't know the current tactical doctrine on whether the commander stays exposed for greater visibilty or trusts to the optics and air-conditioning of the tank or (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (I have reasons to believe there is a Polish contingent over there as well; and I know that the Spanish Navy has ships deployed in the region to assist in the operations. It's a wider gang than you may think at first, even though only 3 of the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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