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Well, um... thanks for clearing that up! (...) Apropos of nothing in particular I would like to point out that as a child I had to sing both lyrical versions of this song at various points in my elementary school career (1), and therefore I remember (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That line of mine is from 'Oh Canada' Sometimes when I'm debating, I jump from one side of hte border to the other 'cause invariably, the stupidity that happens to our bigger brother, will eventually happen to us, though always on a much (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm confused by it. Before we get into why, I want to state clearly that I oppose the practice of reciting the PoA in schools with every ounce of my being -- but not particularly because of the God thing. Such childhood political (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John: The founding fathers were not religious and they were certainly not christians -- and that's putting it mildly. More anon... (...) I am sure at least some critical members actually were; or if not, they were merely deists[1] -- which is sort (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The original intent of lugnet.lego.direct was to serve for polite, swift and to the point discussions with LEGO Direct (or something mostly to that effect). I think that the group has evolved into something completely different by now. It is (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This reminds me of a good line in the movie Spartacus. Senator Gracchus says to Marcus, "Privately I don't believe in any of the gods, and neither do you, but publicly? I believe in all of 'em." The Senate resolved 99-0... which senator was (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course all Christians are equal, it's just that some are even more equal... /Tore (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wouldn't have expected you to want to keep anyone straight...What do you care? Chris FUT lugnet.off-topic.out...ext-quotes (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but this group was created to serve as a kind of 'steam valve'. The intent was for threads that started in other groups, but got heated and off-topic, to move to this group. There was never an intent for this group to actually generate (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I continue to recommend to people to read original sources. It is hard to find a ringing endorsement of religion in Jefferson, for example. Certainly the Founding Fathers read religous books and belonged to various denominations, and the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm confused. I thought David Koudys more likely to sing "God Save Our Gracious Queen" than "My Country Tis of Thee" but I could be wrong. Or is it that he just went to college in CA but is a US citizen after all? I admit it. I can't keep all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) even better quotes from Mr Bush: Speaking Thursday at the G-8 summit in Canada, Bush said the ruling was "out of step with the history and traditions of America," and said it highlighted (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) you're arguing about the semantics here. Would it be ok with there were state run mosques? a mosque isn't a church, right? I strongly believe that the state should stay away from all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You only perceive it as a slippery slope because you're heavily invested in your particular deity. That's your right, obviously, but that doesn't mean The State can endorse a deity. To an athiest, an agnostic, a humanist, or even to someone (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I won't go around telling you what to do -- but I disagreed strongly with most of that on a personal level. The separation of church and state should mean that everyone's religious beliefs are respected and that there is no official state (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: I (...) Like it or not, our nation was founded by men who believed that the US was a country of higher purpose-- as it has turned out to be. To extricate the core values of those who created the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: snip (...) Love people who try to get their points across by jumping right to the end of the slippery slope. I don't believe in the 'popular view', as in 'its *just* a tradition so who cares?' And (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here are a few other gems from (URL) Sen. Kit Bond, R-Missouri, was one of many lawmakers who immediately reacted in anger and shock to the ruling. "Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves. This is the worst kind of political (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As of the last census, I was born and still live in the US of A, and I vote, work, and pay taxes here, so my discussions of "my" country tend generally to involve the US. In addition, your sesquipedalian label isn't entirely accurate, since I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was always very confused by this when I was at school in the US. My US Government class made a big deal of the 'separation of church and state', yet we (well not me obviously, though I did stand for it) were expected to recite the pledge (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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