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(...) Life must be so deep and profound in your (intellectual) gray one. -John (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure Israel is gratful for your support. ;) (...) Life must be so simple in your (little) black & white world! Scott A (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh ya, I agree. But it's what you're up against here in this newsgroup. Until you can make this case (at the meta level), you're stuck. And no one here has been at all effective at making that case in the past. c.f. what happened to me when I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that merely deflection; skirting the issue at hand? I talk about Palestininan terrorism, and they shift the focus to *my* supposed support of terrorism. How is that germane? Merely as an attempt to discredit me as a hypocrite? (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I happen to agree with this viewpoint.It's nice and tidy and has a nice absolute finality to it. No equivocating. But it has a big problem. It opens one up to questioning one's own motives. People who want to assail one's position will (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Already did. B-bye John (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Sorry about the butchered pasting): You: mean that I oppose the actions of both "PLO terrorists" and the Israeli > state. My views on human rights and international law, together with my > understanding of recent middle-east history, leads me (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) George Bush Sr. did actually threaten to cut the US fundings to avoid further Israeli settlements. I don't know if there were any actual cuts, though. I think that with the major US pro-Israeli opinion, it is unrealistic to think that there (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no need to: Scott Said: "What about you, do you know *WHY* 911 happened?" John Said: "Look. If you are going to sit there and insinuate that somehow *we* are to blame for 9-11, you are an idiot." Scott Said: "Not my point. Since 911, (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall let you think about that... it is full of holes. (...) Either would I, but I don't know all that much about it. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, this is a rather unique record of the thread. For the record, I did not simply say I was "sympathetic with the Palestinians". I, in fact, said: "Although I do support the right of self defence, I am fundamentally a pacifist in nature. I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What part of my definition would you consider a distortion? But even with the definition you supplied, I wouldn't call the example Fredrik provided "terrorism". -John I think this is pretty good: (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, it won't ever happen, so what's the point in bringing it up? I may ponder what would happen if Arafat suddenly converted to Judaism, but it's rather a silly notion and not worth discussion. (...) You asked me if I knew why it happened, (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't remember ever saying that. I may have pondered what Israel would do if USA stopped giving them ~$2500000000.00 per year (...) I can't remember ever saying that the US "was to blame for 9-11". I suggest you retract that statement. Scott (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's just stick to the normal usage/definition of words... not your distorted definition. I think this is pretty good: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was just an oblique reference to what is termed a flame war. My point was merely that if John was going to entirely avoid making any substantive comments, and instead make only personal attacks. I would give him a flame war the likes of (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Time to wrap this up. This whole thing started because you took me to task when I equated the Palestinians with the PLO. I still say that if the Palestinians continue to support PLO terrorists, they are as culpable as terrorists themselves. If (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where? and obviously more (...) Then refute it and move on. Really, it's outrageous. I expect an apology from you as (...) Then just say it. I said I would imagine you to be one. Never said you were, and now you have set the record straight. (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could you clarify what you mean by "I will torch this forum" ? That's a rather worrisome remark. As I said before this is a wasted breath exercise. Surely this will get me another (oh so useful) *sigh* from Scott, but in this case it is *all* (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I use the term "terrorism" as the specific, random targeting of civilians for the purpose of terrorizing them. Notice I don't even mention intent other than to terrorize. There is no rationality behind terrorism beyond terrorizing. It is (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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