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Just some super-quick thoughts on this ongoing problem... (...) How can the U.S. send crystal clear messages about aggression when our hands are dirty in Afghanistan? (...) Short-term solutions will not work in this conflict, not that I disagree (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe they tried that. Oslo, and a any other agreement signed - however, agreements don't do much unless both sides do their part. As far as I know, the PA has never actually done anything that it said it would. Dan (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AFAIK, OPEC hasn't been selling oil to Israel since the early 70s, if ever. But I don't have links, so it might just be a misconception of mine. Dan (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder what the future plans of the Israeli government are. Having removed parts of the infrastructure and police force of the PA, they will probably have to put in their own resources for this function in the future. I think that this can (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some OPEC countries want to the restrict oil production to sanction Israel and USA. If they succeed, there may be oil involved this time. I doubt it, though. Fredrik (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting point! However, I think that if there is one nations' government which is respected in Israel, it must be that of the US. Israel, being the strongest part in the conflict, should take the initiative and responsibility (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with some of this. The problem is that the USA has a much louder voice in this due to the $,$$$,$$$,$$$.$$ it gives to Sharon. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find myself disagreeing with that. I have little experience of US printed journalism, but I find the broadcast journalism to be nothing more than "infotainment". It my be a cultural thing(?). (...) Interestingly, I read a quote from "Stupid (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But that is the very nub of this problem. Until Israel, and its apologists, realise that, there can be no hope of peace. Israel has done nothing but stall for time to gain a foothold in the various occupied territories - and that goes right (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I get the sense this is the major point of your argument, and one that I must agree with. My previous arguments were based on *my* experience with the different media. Surely, as you imply, electronic media could be employed differently and in (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm more and more thinking that there will be no real solution to the problem. A few solutions I could see which might work: 1. The US says, "**** you all, we're tired of this. You have 72 hours to evacuate the middle east and then we are (...) (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Upon further reflection (and watching) I can say that certain mainstream "nature" type programs aren't bad, especially the stuff on deep-sea exploration. Some of the military and "justice files" stuff might be good, too, but I can't speak with (...) (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) Really? I don't get TV, but I'd been under the impression that these channels had some pretty good stuff even if it was _Popular Science_ caliber rather than _Nature_ caliber. What you're describing sounds more like _Omni_. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unfortunately, the Discovery Channel (along with its siblings) is very close to the worst source of science information currently available to the mainstream public. That channel has countless programs that present such "frontiers of science" (...) (23 years ago, 30-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can accept that. But I will choose who to sell to and who not to sell to as I please. Todd's not the only person who has earned a place on my stoplist without ever having transacted with me. (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yo...get a grip...I don't really care what you feel about me or not... however...you look at what I said in my previous posts, and try to balance it out what I said. I didn't rush headlong into debate...if anything you should be mad at Larry (...) (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) not to get into the whole "occupation" thing now, but what do you suggest Israel do? Just sit back while it's citizens are killed? I don't have a solution either, but going into the territories and taking away the illegal weapons the PA has (...) (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrigl@math.uio.no> wrote in message news:m3k7rs3boa.fsf@...ldomain... (...) Agree, but there is no oil involved this time, or other shorttime profits in doing so ;-). /Joakim (23 years ago, 31-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just to start the flamethrowers: I don't think this White House is going to do that. It would jeopardize their rhetorical position, which wants so desperately to be black-and- white about states vs. terrorism that they can't see how grey the (...) (23 years ago, 31-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Now is the time for the American authorities to give a crystal clear message to the Israeli authorities that the violence and the occupation must end. I think that is the only short term solution for the conflict right now. Fredrik (23 years ago, 31-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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