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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) Well...it ain't all that big of a trick to import the guns into Ontario from NY either...but, that _still_ doesn't make the crime rate with firearms in Ontario all that high in comparison to most major US areas. Look at a US city with a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) anyway. I agree Larry. It was just a quip to go with the dig about M$ further down. Though M$ has had (at least temporarily) an effective monopoly on PC operating systems, it *was* only temporary, and was most likely aided along the way (at (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Nation building
 
I've been thinking about this a bit. Longtime readers know my distaste for the very term. Dubya doesn't like it either. But if you go back to some of the various stuff that has been posted... (Newt's bit. Stuff about what was done in conquered (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Justifying Barbarism? (was: More on Palestine)
 
(...) This made me think a bit about the question: Can barbaric acts (whether terrorism or not) be justified if a. The intended overall result[1] is positive (eg. save lives, reduce poverty), and b. The actual overall result is positive, even if (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) With government assistance. Free market corporations can erect no such barriers. Not effective ones, anyway. QED (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) ...or corporations... (...) Thats vi please. VI will generally result in sh: VI: not found or something similar. As will EMACS (except if you use some inferior operating system, sold by some corporate monopoly 8?) Oh, OK, you could create a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) Or they can rent from a place which allows installation of satellite dishes. I see several in my apartment complex (and for some folks, they even seem to be easy to install, they're bolted to the folks 2nd floor deck railing). As Larry has (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: More on Palestine
 
(...) Wow, I don't think I would have ever expected to see something like this come out of Newt. With a slightly quick reading, I don't see anything in that which I disagree with. I think we are seeing the power of the US really coming out. We have (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) Ah-- a good summary point I'd missed. Perhaps a "Plays Well" category in which Larry gets a rather low score. Each, actually, but perhaps moreso Larry as he's often been the one to bring issues like this into the limelight as actual topics of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) I'd disagree on this one. I'd say his largest fault is his tendency to attack a person's stature rather than defend his position or respond to theirs. The title of this sub-thread is a case in point. He has done the same to others and me. (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) ! Now you are giving me ideas... hee hee hee... THAT would be nice. I wonder who would be the best card... OTOH, I am *deep* down the scale! :-P (XFUT off-topic-fun) Pedro (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) You do not know the temptation I resisted in heading that post with something along the lines of "Brand new O-T-Debator cards! Collect them all! Trade 'em with your friends! Or compete head-to-head on your own non-Lego topics! Coming soon, how (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) (snipped) (...) (snipped) ROTFL! They were almost reduced to the status of "Pokemon" playing cards! Anyway, I do not know these two guys long enough to make such a deep analysis of their debating skills, so I won't. However, I partially agree (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) Yes, and once you add annoying twits to your Kill filter, this group is a much nicer read. I've had a much nicer time in this group since adding someone to my Kill filter last week. (...) Unfortunately, the "entertainment" often sinks to the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) <snip> Nice analysis, Dave. Indeed, I wouldn't want any of the options listed; my preference is for each to ignore the other, but that's beyond my power (and apparantly, their power). Lacking my favorite choice, I have pretty much chosen to (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: More on Palestine
 
(...) I agree. This piece by Gingrich touches on this (and other points you make). (URL) is quite thoughtful. I had no idea he could think this clearly. Why I am reading the NR so much lately I cannot say, exactly, but I wonder. I found Principle 8 (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: More on Palestine
 
(...) lack of clear, tangible objectives that have been communicated. There's been too much rhetoric issued from the White House. A War to eradicate Terror is just another War on Drugs - an impossible, wasted effort. Our primary goal should be to (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) I doubt most o-t-debators would choose seriously from any of the above options other than the 3rd, though maybe that's just me. I can't see actually wanting to ban either of you based on your previous content. A poll to the first set of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GL00zG.IEF@lugnet.com... (...) Lighten up. I should have put a smiley on it Oh, and my vote is no one should be banned. No one forces anyone to read or reply to what is posted here. (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: More on Palestine
 
(...) Here's some more for you to laugh at (and others to think about). (URL) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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