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(...) So what did you mean when you said this less than 4 days after the attack? ==+== Secretary Powell declined to specify what would be done but said a week deadline for all of bin Laden's organization to be turned over to the west was not (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sounds like you are falling for GWB's empty rhetoric. Lets assume ObL did do this. Look at his motives (not his unjustifiable actions) and you will see that he actually wants a little more freedom and liberty in places like "Palestine" and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Barbary Pirates indeed. Lets start by looking at the bigger picture: (URL) the 1st para: ==+== The attempt to make out that the suicide terrorists had somehow declared war and that America and its allies were entitled to wage war in return is (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GK3Mz9.90A@lugnet.com... (...) sanctions (...) that (...) (URL) Telegraph = Right Wing Rag. I prefer independent news: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well it certainly is not Palestine: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Mr L F Braun" <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message news:GK7G2o.7z@lugnet.com... (...) . and I thought I was cynical. I think the "war" is all about GWB overreacting. The problem is that he has now painted himself into a corner. Calling this a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hardly. Perhaps you should read you own posts. A quick search finds these 2 where you condone civilian deaths: (URL) note that in your reply, you failed to address these points: 1. Your apparent departure from your usual LP dogma. 2. Your (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) listen. (...) Facing such a terrible situation, I agree with you Alfred, That is the only way to go. The attack was done without any weapon and the result was incredibly destrucuctive. With the power of love, the greatest of all power, it is (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I agree in general, I don't think thats what I was asking. My main worry is that the Arab/Islamic nations outside of Afganistan will see this as meddling in another Islamic nations business and trying to push our ways on them. I could (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it was "squirming" (URL) I explained what I actually meant in the footnote, which seems to be close to what you say below 8?) (...) I too stated (same post) that I agree with all three variants you've presented, just not the original (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Important clarification: The link, however strongly we feel about it, is only equivalent to the Taliban "committing an act of war" by the US definition of that term. The link is still under dispute. You can't say that the Taliban committed an (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A quick summary is that Stephen Biko was a black South African under aparteid who refused to not speak out against it; this got him expelled from university for his politcal views, and turned into a fugitive by the government. He was arrested (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any right that the ruling powers of Afganistan had to accuse us of being interventionist and meddling have been forfieted by commiting an act of war against this country. They may have a problem with our support of Israel, they may have a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, Sorry for picking on this one point that in general I agree with. I just wanted to get your (and others) opinions on a hypothetical situation. Lets say the Taliban is evil (I think Larry and I agree that it is) and a clear connection (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snippage] Yeah, you got it, and then a few additional angles that I wasn't thinking about at that moment, but which apply very well. Nicely said! I'll go for that. :D LFB (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have a quick link or two to proffer? Something relatively short or predigested, or maybe you could do a para or two runthrough? There is so MUCH to read these days, but I haven't heard exactly why he has significance (I recall that (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It *is* semantics. But it's very important semantics. When you hear "war" today, do you think most Americans instantly think "Oh, war. Tripoli, 1801-1805. Of course." Or do they think WWII, Vietnam, or the Gulf? I'd bet dollars to donuts (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Thanks for that perspective, all good points! I agree that the term war has been cheapened by such inane uses as WoD. (you and I both know that you and I are both opposed to it, anyway, no (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll take a shot at trying to figure out what LFB meant... I think what is being suggested is that the term "war" is cheapened when used in the manner it has been for the last three decades or so. I am referring to phrases like the "war on (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simply that today is the anniversary of Biko's funeral (his actual death was the 13th of September, his admitted death somewhere between the two). Biko's work, and his murder had a fairly profound effect on me, and I was reminded of that today (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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