 | | A couple more articles on the civil liberties angle
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(URL) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) It would be *extremely* difficult to crash a 767 travelling at 500km/h at the lower 20 floors of any building in such a city. That is possibly part of the reason they chose the WTC towers - they were so much higher than surrounding buildings. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | A request for peace.
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Today, I emailed the following letter to the president, hoping he would listen. -Alfred -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 September 19, 2001 Alfred J. Speredelozzi, Jr. 2670 Fenwick Court Ann Arbor, MI 48104 The Honorable George W. Bush (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate) !
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Okay, I'm going to jump onto this one just this once... (...) No God in there if you're not a religious person. (...) And all good religious people know this and STILL need this tragical event to wake them up? (...) Whe quoting the bible, everyone (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) Also, what would have been the outcome had the terrorists targeted the base of the buildings? Had the collisions occurred in the lower 20 floors, most folks would have been trapped inside, and toppling may have occurred. (...) Indeed. -Rob. (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Let's be honest about this--it's *entirely* based on faith, and not at all on fact. And that's where the issue ends, for many people. (...) Yes and no. They are capable of presenting a faithful account of their own recollections and of their (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The big lie
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(...) I find a quote of Benjamin Franklin's expresses my views on the subject. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." It's a bit harsh, but I agree with it, and with Larry, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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<snip> (...) But the Taliban are akin to the terrorists. It is just coincidence that they also happen to rule Afghanistan. (...) In Afghanistan, going against the government gets you dead. Pretty hard to go against that. (...) Who's plan? the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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Oh boy! Someone asked for a nitpicker. Here I am! I'd so hate to disappoint. <geek> (...) In the case of Arabic, because it's Romanized, the LC and Chicago standards are that in-name particles like "ibn" or "al" (I would not be surprised if "bin (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) The Somalia analogy holds for a decade ago, I think, when several factions had a more or less equal hold on different parts of the country. Now I'd say Afghanistan has "stabilised" as a decentralised theocracy. (...) First make it clear that (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) There is indeed the money angle. bin Laden's(1) organization runs on money, and his rather large personal fortune is kept in institutions in the west. Once it is proven that he's involved in this (or other) terrorist actions, (2) it may be (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) Agreed. I wasn't keen on the "nation building" exercise we tried in Somalia, it failed dismally. But maybe that's what is required here. I have no idea. What's the alternative though? I am *opposed* to just going in and indiscriminately (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The big lie
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(...) Correct. I don't want civil rights lessened or destroyed across the board. (...) I suspect you are reading things correctly, unfortunately. That doesn't make what happens "right" though, as I've said before, just because a majority votes (or (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) Come on now. Did you read the article in the link Larry gave? Have you read anything about the Taliban? Among the things that make them "evil"... - You can be imprisoned for shaving your beard (Or even having it short). - It is not only (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Sorting Air Safety (Re: Rooting out nests of snakes and destroying them)
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(...) Is it time to put an end to this? Could Scott and Larry be banned from replying to each other for a trial period at least? just an idea, DaveL (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) I read that article from the New Yorker -- a really valuable perspective piece I thought. Vollmann does more than describe the Taliban message too, he gives a good background on how they were brought to power by decades of misery in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The big lie
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(...) Are you saying that the do not want your government to invade the privacy of individuals which they suspect may be terrorists in a manner which is simpler that it is right now, but it is OK for them to improve airport security? In either case, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Sorting Air Safety (Re: Rooting out nests of snakes and destroying them)
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(...) ... and it looks like I was correct. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) Calling them "evil" proves nothing. It may work for GWB on CNN, but it does nothing for me. (...) Indeed it is not. Neither is it the duty of US to ensure people are enslaved by their government. Or is it? (...) There is nothing to bomb in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Kill 'em all"
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(...) I have to agreed. I detest talk of revenge and retribution. This should be replaced talk of justice. But the problem with that is that is does to attract views to the networks. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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