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(...) <doing a little jig> Bring it on baby. There is one and only one way to bring the next American revolution on and that's to outlaw a significant class of weaponry. I'll tell you what...you'll be the first against the wall. (...) Agreed. It (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Originally to produce a state where the citizenry would have it in their power if they ever deemed it necessary to overthrow the governance by force. Now to maintain (and try to get back to) a state where the citizenry would have it in their (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I mean wrong. Counterfactual. Not correct. (...) I'm in a somewhat different boat. I've thought this through and through and I'm convinced that it is a disservice to not treat sexuality as a casual and natural physical loving gesture. It would (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cute. But the point remains that more deaths are caused yearly by handguns than by stabbings, and in any case multiply-fatal stabbings are rare, and certainly don't often involve the same number of victims as a shooting spree. (Again--not that (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really, what do we need handguns and automatic weapons for except to protect ourselves from assholes with the same weapons? Get rid of them all and it significantly lowers the odds of getting shot or accidentally shooting yourself. If someone (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) total (...) distorted, (...) you (...) state (...) current (...) stupid (...) Are you cluless or what? Yeah I'm really meaning it. I know what sort of place Turkey is, but do you really? For your information, political islam is very strong (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doesn't it disturb you that a guy with a knife killing eight Japanese schoolchildren makes worldwide news, and yet mass murders in the US often barely get a mention beyond local news? Doesn't that tell you something about this country? I would (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You honestly believe that having a huge domestic market has no effect whatsoever on a criminals' access to weapons? That criminals would obtain handguns just as easily without a gun shop in every high street? That every handgun-related death (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And this is something we need to be extremely carefull of. Anyone can become a suspect. Probing of suspects (and witnesses) must be based on careful documentation of the expectation of finding something. Extreme care must also be taken to keep (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And how many illegally held guns were at one point were in the hands of Joe Public legally? How many were obtained due to poor storage on the part of Joe Public (eg under the bed/pillow)? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All those poor naive people in Great Britain.... :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I suppose you think the people committing premeditated crimes own those guns legally? And banning handguns would keep them from owning them? You're not really that naive, are you? (...) No, that's by soccer moms and yuppies. I'd like (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe you can, but don't tell that to those Japanese schoolchildren... -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's considerable harder to conceal a shotgun or rifle. My 12-gauge is considerably better for "home defense" than a handgun, anyway, and for the paranoid, a high-powered rifle is better for sniping at Guv'mint Troopers. Any idiot can point a (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One would hope not. However, knife-wielding madmen are rare - thankfully! (...) How would you see the reduction happening - education? Or perhaps reducing the type of guns up for sale? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Generally, it's considered quite hard to carry a concealed automobile into a public building for the purposes of committing a crime. This is further complicated by the typical size of vehicle that seems to be favoured by the American market. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if that's a tenable stance; one could as easily argue that a knife-wielding madman lurks in the bushes, but that doesn't mean we should outlaw knives *or* bushes. The only material difference between a gun and a knife (or a club, (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What you are saying is very true. I was skipping over a whole lot of details (due process, search warrent, etc.) and going directly to the loss of certain rights as a convicted criminal. In jail, certain rights are removed or reduced. (At (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this really the best you can do. Which members of the gun owning public stopped your courts dragging away alleged communists during McCarthy’s reign? (...) You are trivialising the debate. Falling pianos no doubt have their victims too. The (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In the spirit of not trying to pick a fight, I'll include my opinion to this topic and hope for the best... Is it true that Hitler managed to remove weapons from the common people in Germany sometime before he went on his mad killing spree? And (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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