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| | | (...) Wait, do you mean "if the winner retracts his offer" or "if the current high bidder retracts his bid"? Are we talking about completed auctions now? I think that if you placed the second highest bid, and the highest bidder retracts his bid, and (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) Winner. If the winner retracts his bid. After the auction is closed. There isn't a winner until the auction is closed. eric (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Christopher Lindsey
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| | | | | | | Hmmm... I don't like this whole bid retraction thing.... It also means that the seller could pull one over on the buyer if he has two extra throw-away Ebay accounts, and unless I check the bidding history I'd never know it... Scenario: 1. I bid on (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | (...) A reason to always pay attention to your auctions, and look at the bidding history if the auction jumps a lot in the last moments. If I'm eagle eying an auction, I'll even capture the current bidders just before the last moment, and then (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Wow, that's totally nasty. Great example! Can that sort of thing happen on eBay as it is now, BTW? --Todd (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yep. It's also grounds for closing your account if you get caught. (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) That's a pretty big if. Especially since someone proving it only means your eBay account getting yanked, as you haven't broken any prosecutable laws (that I can think of). Think of it this way: what if you got two friends to do the other deeds (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, nowadays you need a credit card also, don't know exactly what they check, so I don't know if you can get more than one account without the friends credit card number. However, by doing this, you probably HAVE broken laws. I'm not sure (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Christopher Lindsey
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) According to the registration page at Ebay, you don't need a credit card, just an address: (URL) just created a throw-away account ; it only uses my email address for confirmation. Aren't those free email services grand? Chris (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) So there are probably a lot of dishonest sellers out there doing this and not getting caught...? How does eBay "catch" someone? --Todd (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) I doubt there's many people doing this. It's not impossible to catch someone. All bid retractions and cancelations are recorded in the bid history for the auction. A user's bid profile shows the number of bid retractions in the past 7 days, (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Adam Hoekwater
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| | | | | | | (...) Weird, I didn't know eBay accomodated bid retractions on closed auctions. Seems kind of futile to put in a bid retraction _after_ you've entered a binding contract to buy the item. -Adam (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) I think Ben was talking about an auction which hadn't ended. If the auction has ended, the runner up bidders have no obligation, but the seller is permitted to offer the rejected item to them. (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Adam Hoekwater
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| | | | | | (...) Okay, I was wondering when and why the subject got changed to closed auctions, since bid retractions can have no effect on them. Thanks Frank. -Adam (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) I would never use any auction system that _required_ me to be held to a bid in such a way. I'd love to have the _option_ to place my bids in such a way, but for that to be the default, no way...that's just yet another formula for anguish among (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) BTW, if I understand what people are saying about eBay, if you do get stuck with one of your old bids that got reinstated at the end because some other bloke reneged at the end, do -can- renege on your bid, yes? You don't go to eBay jail or (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) Once the auction is ended, the ONLY binding contract is the high bid. If the high bidder reneges, the seller is allowed to contact you, but you are under no obligation to accept. If the auction has NOT ended, and someone retracts their bid, (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) OK, that's fair. (...) Bizarre. So what's to stop someone from creating a one-time foofoo bidding account on eBay to get themselves out of a mess like that? --Todd (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) That won't help much, if you notice in time, the only black mark you can get is the fact that you retracted a bid. The danger in creating the fake account is that you are legally tied to it (or you used (...) (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Christopher Lindsey said earlier today that he had "just created a throw-away account"[1] using a free email address and that the registration page at eBay said you don't need a credit card. Are there two types of eBay accounts?? --Todd [1] (...) (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) Hmm, interesting. They were claiming you needed to use a credit card now. So much for that... They are seriously getting to the point of needing a good kick in the pants. They really aren't very friendly (though more friendly to sellers, so (...) (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Christopher Lindsey
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| | | | (...) They *do* require a credit card if you try to sell something (so that they can auto-bill you for their share), but not if you're just going to bid... I also wanted to clarify that this throw-away account was created just for testing purposes; (...) (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Bid retractions (was Re: eBay dead again) —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) as (...) I thought they had changed it, perhaps it is one of the things to come in 2Q2000 (i.e. real soon now). Frank (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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