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(...) Stretching it out still works of course. Just count the time you spend building and add it up. Then you can take time with breaks, and still have a spent amount of building. Just don't cheat though : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 4-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) That was my point silly.... don't count the time, just build. :) Allan B. (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) No, what I meant was only count the time that your building, cuz you see, you can't time yourself building if you don't time yourself building. (dang that makes no sense at all, does it?) OK, what I mean is time the time you spend building the (...) (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) But he doesn't WANT to count the time at all. For him it's the fun of the build, I expect, and timing it would detract from that experience. (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Well then why didn't he just say so in a clear, readable fashion like I generally need? : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Um, because he wanted to increase your reading enjoyment by making you think about what he was saying instead of giving it to you all predigested and MTVlike? If he had done that it would have detracted from the experience. :-) (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) But I like it that way! (...) oh. You never want to detract from the experience. : ) Hasta la Vista, Sean P.S This has gone pretty off the topic that we started on, hasn't it? : ) P.S.S Why doesn't Allan get involved in this?! (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Kids these days. Why, when I was a boy, you talked to computers with punched cards. And liked it. (...) Who's "we", Kimosabe? XFUT lugnet.off-topic.fun (...) (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) But of course, in my day, you use a keyboard and mouse! And like it! (...) huh? whos kimosabe? Is that a food or something? Whats XFUT? Your gonna make me ask to many questions! P.S Notice how I cut this so it looked predigested! (22 years ago, 5-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) When I was a boy, we lived in shoe-box in middle of road, ... Gordon (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Luxary! (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) You were lucky to get a box! (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I weep for today's youth. ;) (...) It's usually Allan's fault. It's those darned 'alternative opinions' of his. :) (...) Because: a) He knows better than to get involved in a discussion about what he 'meant' to say. b) He was out of town today (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) They were lucky to have a road. We lived in a paper bag in the middle of a pond. Bruce (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) And you tell the young people of today, and they don't believe you! Gordon (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Keyboard?!?! Point and Click baby. If you have to type something... move on. ;) Seriously, I remember the when I was in jr high and playing zork went from typing commands to clicking the mouse. Far less enjoyable experience, if you ask me. [the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ya, but you have the inside track! :-) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Well between that and the stories of walking 20 miles to school in a blizzard without shoes with backpacks that way a ton, then beleiving isn't always the easiest thing to do. : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean P.S Not to mention the fact that backpacks (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ahem, in my day we didn't have backpacks-- we had to carry stacks of heavy books in our bare arms! Maggie C. (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Amazing how times have changed! Now in my age we have to wear backpacks that way a ton, and (thanks for reminding me) carry books that way a ton, AND we have to make it to class in 3 minutes! Beat that : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yeah, yeah... and you don't have lockers either because they're afraid you'll harbor drugs or weapons, right? (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) There you go with your 2nd Amendment rant again! Dave! (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) By the way--when I saw the title of this thread I thought it said "prestidigitated pap," and I was afraid we'd get into a discussion of koalas that juggle food for their young... Dave! FUT: off-topic.odd-zoolog...l-factoids (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) As our hero once said, "I want to learn the ways of Python and become a comedian like my father." (URL) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Okay, so we were stupider back then. And they criticize today's public schools... ;-) Bruce (who still lists to starboard because of those stupid books) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, the following is attributed to Dave! (...) Evidently if it *were* "prestidigitated pap" it would raise the level of this thread substantially on the Australian quality scale-- and I believe mention of koalas qualifies it for (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) While it may make it Oz related, I think you'll find the usage actually will incur penalty points, among that group at any rate. You should have seen the uproar when Katie Couric "adopted" a baby wallaby when she was in Oz for the Olympics... (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Wow. Yeah. I guess you're right Lar. But hey, what do I know-- I post lots of stuff to .market. Maggie (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) The key element to the old walking-to-school-in-snow story is that it also involved going uphill *both* ways. ...Something that I *did* have to do when I was younger... As for backpacks, I was one of the dorky kids who realized very early on (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No, we have lockers. The fact of them always opening and closing is another matter though... Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) (with fake Irish accent) It all comes down to the little people, doesn't it? : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Hey, I *technically* used to have to do that back in Elementary School! (ah those were the days, why I remembe... Wait a sec, I'm starting to sound like you guys! : )) You see, we lived at the top of the hill, so you walked downhill halfway, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yep, keyboard : ) (...) ahhh. But I see you have just used a keyboard, eh? : ) (...) What in the I-can't-use-the-word is Zork? Old-timers game I'm sure : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean P.S No harm meant by Old-timers, but its the truth! (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) (URL) one weird looking URL, but go check it out...) Zork, while not the first text adventure game (Interactive Fiction as they call it these days), was one of the first to really implement an extensive parser. Here's another link: (URL) if (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) The original Zork also circulates. It's substantially identical to the commercial versions, but fine details were edited, just as they were edited between the early microcomputer editions and the definitive 1983 releases. (bugs and all: 'who (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) A-heehee! ...Hey wait, are you saying I'm old?? ;o (...) Yeah, that was basically what I had, except there was a yellow school bus mixed in there somewhere too. As for the ice, that added to the fun. My parent's driveway is about 900 feet long (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) (rubs chin) possibly... : ) (...) Lucky. But at least you had the bus! I had to walk the whole way! oh, and slipping on black ice may be fun in a sled, but when your backpack is really heavy and you slip, and fall on your face, and then try to (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Thanks for the info guys. But not being one who usually gets into games and the like, Is zork a kind of game that some people put on their TI-83 calculators, or am I way off on that one? Hasta La Vista, Sean P.S About that xyzzy command, does fool (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I don't! : ) Imagine all the news we can get into a half hour compared to 20 years ago! Why I bet in 20 years '60 minutes' will be down to 2! (...) You bet it is : ) (...) Yeah, but you know the answer already. Of course, d sounds about right (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) In the Before Time of Long Long Ago, computers rarely used graphics (we're talking 1970's). Most things were text. Computers simply couldn't handle complex graphics in a timely sense, and often, because storage was so expensive back then, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) xyzzy doesn't work, fool! Before there was Zork, there was Colossal Cave. 'xyzzy' only works in Colossal Cave. Both programs were named 'adventure' at one time, though Zork also went by the name 'dungeon'. There were family resemblances: you (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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I just remembered that in junior high "frotz grue" was funny. (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Did that 'xyzzy' have anything to do with the 'xyzzy' BITNET chat program (It was kinda like 'talk' on UNIX but not really,) I remember using on the VAX at my university oh way back when??? -Kyle (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Assuming the TI-83 has a reasonable way to input text, I would say theoretically yes. It seems to use the same Z-80 processor that the TRS-80 used, and appears to have enough RAM. Some models come with Flash ROM, which if useable for user (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yup, in high school, we were given a box of punched cards and if the program couldn't be written with the finite cards huddled in that box, then there was something wrong with you. I know that to be true, because the teacher told us so. Bruce (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) any of the games I worked on made it into the hall of fame. :-) There was the Scott Adams abbreviated version around that time. Bruce (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) So did any make it? Frank (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Wasteland and Heroes of Might and Magic. I didn't work on the original Bard's Tale except for conversions, so I don't count that one. Bruce (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) You won't like it in a few years when your wrists start to go bad. Mice are evil. (...) Ugh, you have never heard of the Lone Ranger? Jeez, these kids today... Kemo sabe was what Tonto (which is Spanish for "stupid," by the way) would call The (...) (22 years ago, 16-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Do you have a wrist guard on your desk? (...) touche...Had this discussion been held later in the year, I would know more spanish, I'm taking it this year! Oh, I forgot to say, I now know kimosabe, means possibly, friend? (...) Thanks. Hasta (...) (22 years ago, 16-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) LOL gotta love, or hate, that pop culture. My University of Chicago Spanish-Engilsh dictionary has 9 entries for words that start with "k," and none of them are "kimosabe." The word vaguely looks like it could be a Spanish word, but something (...) (22 years ago, 16-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) My predigested self : ) Kimosabe I think is Indian for friend, and I said that I'm taking Spanish so I would've known what tonto means. It's ok you didn't understand though. Only the young know how to read "predigested pap" : ))))) Hasta la (...) (22 years ago, 16-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I guess I just read from the Spanish sentence to the kimosabe one, and lumped the two together in my mind. Didn't see a tonto reference in your post, but then again, didn't read the post before yours... Everything indicated to me you were (...) (22 years ago, 16-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Thats ok. I don't see everything all the time either. (...) Should've added the drum-and-symbol sound : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 17-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 17-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Well, I was half right and half wrong. It means scout in some Indian languages, but it also means friend in the Tewa Indian language (or it roughly comes out to it). But of course, that makes Kemosabe -technically- friend in Indian. Hasta La (...) (22 years ago, 17-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, this link was provided by Dave! (...) been able to figure out the new Gradebook program (she includes herself here) as "technotontas". Maggie C. (22 years ago, 17-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No, those just make it worse. (...) I think it's a made up word created for the Lone Ranger show. I believe in the story line it is the word for "friend" in Tonto's native language (which is presumably some generic native American language, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Referring to "Indian" as a single language makes about as much sense as referring to "European" as a single language. Less, even. --Bill. (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I don't know how I wandered onto this string, but I think everyone missed the point: there was a punchline to a joke in there that started this all that everyone missed and thus the point was lost. The Lone Ranger and his faithful companion, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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