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Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
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Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:59:22 GMT
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Paul Baulch wrote:
> 
> Colin R Gutierrez wrote in message <3883CC9F.408@ultra.ccp.com>...
> > Last year while I was in the Lego aisle in Wal-Mart, I overheard this
> > 
> > conversation between a mother and her son:
> > 
> > Mother: (holding 1999 Spaceport set) "How about this one?"
> > 
> > Boy: (Takes box and looks at it, irritation evident in voice) "Nah,
> > it's got all these big pieces, you can't _build_ anything with 'em."
> 
> 
> It's a reasonable observation, but I find it hard to take such kids
> seriously when they then proceed to the next aisle and go bananas over the
> one-piece molded-plastic CyberPowerMegaDemonPunisherZord. My guess is he
> just didn't want the Lego set.

        I'm fairly sure he didn't.  Even if he did, it's apples and
oranges.  I
don't think liking other types of toys invalidates a person's particular
views on Lego.  I personally have several
CyberPowerMegaDemonPunisherZords, I think the intricacies of the molding
and painting are fantastic.  I can look at some of them for hours, with
all the detail.
        Incidentally, the boy struck me as a young lego fan who was
there to
get a "fix." and he wasn't happy with his choices, not one who was
making excuses because he didn't want a SpacePort set.  I think they may
have left with a 2000-piece tub, but I really wasn't paying attention.

> 
> Where I live you can't easily get the 6456 Spaceport set anymore, when
> compared to the rest of the 1999 line. It literally flew off the shelves. I
> would say that the kids loved it.

        That's really odd.  They are _literally_ collecting dust in my
area.
Where do you live?  Perhaps it's a regional thing.

> 
> I can remember when I saw this set. My eyes popped out of my head, and two
> seconds later I was striding down to checkout with one under my arm. Gotta
> hand it to TLC, their packaging is top-notch :-)

        That's interesting.  My first reaction was "Whatta piece of
crap!"
(Please don't take offense at that.)  :]  I missed out on the original
space shuttle sets, and this was more disappointing than no NASA style
sets at all.

  Seriously though, I really
> like 6456 and I think it contains some of the "better"[1] juniorised pieces
> (of course I've seen many others that I wouldn't use in a zillion years[2]).

        I can agree with that.  A juniorized arch is infinitely more
usefull
than a bug leg.

> And it looks cool and has tons of playability.
> I have used many of its larger juniorised pieces in MOCs, and found that I
> benefitted from their superior structural strength and lightness. "But
> wouldn't it have been better to have conventional pieces do the same job?"
> Well, not if my MOC falls apart from its own weight :-)

        I can see where you're coming from but YOC's must be totally
different
than mine.  Not only would most of my creations actually be _less_
structurally sound with juniorized pieces, many simply could not be
built.
        For structural integrity, think of a 5h wall.  if it is built
with
1x3x5 bricks, each panel will not be connected to adjacent ones except
through the bottom (baseplate) and the top (A row of bricks, plates, or
a roof.  This wall would have several 5h "cracks" in it, not too
structurally sound.  In wall of staggered bricks, however, each brick is
interlaced in a solid structure and the vertical "cracks" are limited to
one brick in height.
        On the other hand, I can see how the problem can be minimalized
by
"locking in" the junior pieces within a strong framework of regular
pieces.  I can also except that some creations could benefit from the
weight-savings of juniorized pieces.  I'd like to see some of your
stuff.  Do you have a web site by any chance?

> 
> Perhaps, in some cases, not so much "juniorised" as "prefabricated". Hmmmm,
> still sounds a bit derogatory.

        Maybe we need more than one term.  Parts like "juniorized" walls
could
be called prefabricated, but I think "over-specialized" is more acurate
for things like Insecturds legs and pre-printed Egyptian sloped walls.

> 
> Paul
> 
> [1] Your mileage may vary. What you like to build will certainly vary.

        Yep, see above.  :]

> [2] I've thought of a couple of ways I'd like to use juniorised arches.
> These, IMO, have got a bad rep mainly because TLC designs have used them in
> ways that are either unimaginative (on tops of buildings) or just plain
> crappy (X-wing landing gear).

        I can agree with that.  I think I'll take a second look at
them.  If I
can't come up with a good use for a simple part like that, I would have
to be lazy or unimaginative myself.  Thanks for the inspiration!

        --Colin

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  Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
 
(...) Yes, on walls like that, staggered bricks would be better. But look at this set: (URL) 1xNx5 bricks would make it a whole lot more stable than stacked bricks. On short walls, pressure exertedfrom the side can easily punch the wall out. These (...) (27 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
  Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
 
(...) The terms you're looking for are POOP and SPUD. POOP: "piece out of pieces" -- prefab, juniorized SPUD: "special-purpose, unlegoish/useless/ugly, decorative" -- over-specialized Steve (27 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
  Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
 
Colin R Gutierrez wrote in message <3885ED6A.2DD1@ultra...cp.com>... (...) I (...) Um, Australia? Perhaps it's a value for price-point thing (small & medium sets are mostly horrendously expensive). Big sets seem to sell well in this country. (...) (27 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)

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Colin R Gutierrez wrote in message <3883CC9F.408@ultra.ccp.com>... (...) It's a reasonable observation, but I find it hard to take such kids seriously when they then proceed to the next aisle and go bananas over the one-piece molded-plastic (...) (27 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)

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