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Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
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Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:59:22 GMT
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Paul Baulch wrote:

Colin R Gutierrez wrote in message <3883CC9F.408@ultra.ccp.com>...
Last year while I was in the Lego aisle in Wal-Mart, I overheard this

conversation between a mother and her son:

Mother: (holding 1999 Spaceport set) "How about this one?"

Boy: (Takes box and looks at it, irritation evident in voice) "Nah,
it's got all these big pieces, you can't _build_ anything with 'em."


It's a reasonable observation, but I find it hard to take such kids
seriously when they then proceed to the next aisle and go bananas over the
one-piece molded-plastic CyberPowerMegaDemonPunisherZord. My guess is he
just didn't want the Lego set.

        I'm fairly sure he didn't.  Even if he did, it's apples and
oranges.  I
don't think liking other types of toys invalidates a person's particular
views on Lego.  I personally have several
CyberPowerMegaDemonPunisherZords, I think the intricacies of the molding
and painting are fantastic.  I can look at some of them for hours, with
all the detail.
        Incidentally, the boy struck me as a young lego fan who was
there to
get a "fix." and he wasn't happy with his choices, not one who was
making excuses because he didn't want a SpacePort set.  I think they may
have left with a 2000-piece tub, but I really wasn't paying attention.


Where I live you can't easily get the 6456 Spaceport set anymore, when
compared to the rest of the 1999 line. It literally flew off the shelves. I
would say that the kids loved it.

        That's really odd.  They are _literally_ collecting dust in my
area.
Where do you live?  Perhaps it's a regional thing.


I can remember when I saw this set. My eyes popped out of my head, and two
seconds later I was striding down to checkout with one under my arm. Gotta
hand it to TLC, their packaging is top-notch :-)

        That's interesting.  My first reaction was "Whatta piece of
crap!"
(Please don't take offense at that.)  :]  I missed out on the original
space shuttle sets, and this was more disappointing than no NASA style
sets at all.

  Seriously though, I really
like 6456 and I think it contains some of the "better"[1] juniorised pieces
(of course I've seen many others that I wouldn't use in a zillion years[2]).

        I can agree with that.  A juniorized arch is infinitely more
usefull
than a bug leg.

And it looks cool and has tons of playability.
I have used many of its larger juniorised pieces in MOCs, and found that I
benefitted from their superior structural strength and lightness. "But
wouldn't it have been better to have conventional pieces do the same job?"
Well, not if my MOC falls apart from its own weight :-)

        I can see where you're coming from but YOC's must be totally
different
than mine.  Not only would most of my creations actually be _less_
structurally sound with juniorized pieces, many simply could not be
built.
        For structural integrity, think of a 5h wall.  if it is built
with
1x3x5 bricks, each panel will not be connected to adjacent ones except
through the bottom (baseplate) and the top (A row of bricks, plates, or
a roof.  This wall would have several 5h "cracks" in it, not too
structurally sound.  In wall of staggered bricks, however, each brick is
interlaced in a solid structure and the vertical "cracks" are limited to
one brick in height.
        On the other hand, I can see how the problem can be minimalized
by
"locking in" the junior pieces within a strong framework of regular
pieces.  I can also except that some creations could benefit from the
weight-savings of juniorized pieces.  I'd like to see some of your
stuff.  Do you have a web site by any chance?


Perhaps, in some cases, not so much "juniorised" as "prefabricated". Hmmmm,
still sounds a bit derogatory.

        Maybe we need more than one term.  Parts like "juniorized" walls
could
be called prefabricated, but I think "over-specialized" is more acurate
for things like Insecturds legs and pre-printed Egyptian sloped walls.


Paul

[1] Your mileage may vary. What you like to build will certainly vary.

        Yep, see above.  :]

[2] I've thought of a couple of ways I'd like to use juniorised arches.
These, IMO, have got a bad rep mainly because TLC designs have used them in
ways that are either unimaginative (on tops of buildings) or just plain
crappy (X-wing landing gear).

        I can agree with that.  I think I'll take a second look at
them.  If I
can't come up with a good use for a simple part like that, I would have
to be lazy or unimaginative myself.  Thanks for the inspiration!

        --Colin

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  Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
 
(...) Yes, on walls like that, staggered bricks would be better. But look at this set: (URL) 1xNx5 bricks would make it a whole lot more stable than stacked bricks. On short walls, pressure exertedfrom the side can easily punch the wall out. These (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
  Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
 
(...) The terms you're looking for are POOP and SPUD. POOP: "piece out of pieces" -- prefab, juniorized SPUD: "special-purpose, unlegoish/useless/ugly, decorative" -- over-specialized Steve (25 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
  Re: Attention Lego Group: Children don't like juniorization, either!
 
Colin R Gutierrez wrote in message <3885ED6A.2DD1@ultra...cp.com>... (...) I (...) Um, Australia? Perhaps it's a value for price-point thing (small & medium sets are mostly horrendously expensive). Big sets seem to sell well in this country. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)

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Colin R Gutierrez wrote in message <3883CC9F.408@ultra.ccp.com>... (...) It's a reasonable observation, but I find it hard to take such kids seriously when they then proceed to the next aisle and go bananas over the one-piece molded-plastic (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)

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