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Brad,
Just let me say that what has been said already sums up my feelings perfectly
so I won't make this to long.
I will say welcome and if there is ever a way that we can help I am sure you
will get lots of it and in very clear and well thought out messages as well.
I personally came out of my Dark Ages with the release of the Star Wars sets
but I would have come out earlier if I thought it was acceptable for adults to
build and create with LEGO. I think that anything you can do to keep kids
interest in LEGO into their adult years will benefit TLC's bottom line more
than anything.
I also think that you need to market to girls/women more and not with Belville
and Scala either. It does not have to be pink for a girl to like a product. I
will also share that my wife was insulted by the Belville and Scala sets and
asked why LEGO could not just market the current sets to Girls and maybe make
some sets in the system line marketed to girls like houses and shops in
town.
Again welcome,
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View my creations at
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> Brad Justus
> Senior Vice President, LEGO Direct
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Eric Kingsley wrote...
> Brad, • ...
> I also think that you need to market to girls/women more and not with • Belville
> and Scala either. It does not have to be pink for a girl to like a • product. I
> will also share that my wife was insulted by the Belville and Scala sets • and
> asked why LEGO could not just market the current sets to Girls and maybe • make
> some sets in the system line marketed to girls like houses and shops in
> town.
I second that and my wife said just the same.
// Eric (too)
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HeyHEY! Don't get RID of the pink, just don't expect it to be THE reason a
"girl" set sells.
I LIKE pink for accent, as do many others. As Gary and I have noted, having
pastels in ALL colors would make for a killer Miami layout.
"Eric Hampusgård" wrote:
> Eric Kingsley wrote...
> > Brad, • ...
> > I also think that you need to market to girls/women more and not with • Belville
> > and Scala either. It does not have to be pink for a girl to like a • product. I
> > will also share that my wife was insulted by the Belville and Scala sets • and
> > asked why LEGO could not just market the current sets to Girls and maybe • make
> > some sets in the system line marketed to girls like houses and shops in
> > town.
>
> I second that and my wife said just the same.
>
> // Eric (too)
> --
> "The great thing about Lego isn't that you can build something out of it,
> the great thing is that you can build something else."
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> Eric Hampusgård (legobiten)
> Swedish AFOL Group
> purjo at hem dot passagen dot se
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In lugnet.general, Tom Stangl writes:
> HeyHEY! Don't get RID of the pink, just don't expect it to be THE reason a
> "girl" set sells.
>
> I LIKE pink for accent, as do many others. As Gary and I have noted, having
> pastels in ALL colors would make for a killer Miami layout.
I did not mean to imply that TLC should get rid of pink. All I meant was that
pink or any other color should not be the primary marketing influence for a
product. I think pink is great but it should not be a requirement for a set to
me marketed to girls. I would agree that pink would turn off many boys but
that does not mean that TLC could not make a residential or "Main Street"
sub-theme in town that could have pink accents and be marketed to girls and/or
boys.
I really believe that if town were unjuniorized it would be a perfect theme for
girls. I think that boys would eventually move to more action oriented themes
but girls would keep buying the town line along with all us AFOL's.
Just don't dumb things down for girls.
Eric
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View my creations at
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Eric Kingsley wrote:
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> Just don't dumb things down for girls.
Your spin on TLC's marketing to girls is interesting. Although you and your wife
find it objectionable, I and my daughter don't. In fact, I would say that the
vast majority like it, or otherwise TLC wouldn't have invested so much into it.
I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that girls
would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys would rather
play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs. Witness the unsuccessful
Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like it are Art Deco and Miami Vice
fans;-)
So your statement about dumbing things down for girls doesn't make any sense. If
anything, TLC has dumbed down sets for *boys* (ie Town Jr). Just because the
lines directed towards girls (Belville, Scala) come in wild greens, pinks, and
oranges doesn't mean a darned thing. Personally, I find elements colored trans
green, red, yellow, orange, etc. completely unusable and a waste.
Boys' and girls' tastes are different. Expecting them to enjoy the same themes
IMO is unreasonable. I think TLC figured this out long ago and hence the
divergence of marketing strategies for boys and girls.
My .02,
John
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> Eric
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John Neal wrote:
> I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that girls
> would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys would rather
> play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs. Witness the unsuccessful
> Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like it are Art Deco and Miami Vice
> fans;-)
Hey now, I think Paradisa line was pretty good, I just took out the
pink, and painted parts I couldn't get anywhere else. It still beats out
Clinton Center, Crash City, or whatever Town Junior is called now. :) I
still like my Black Corvette in Poolside Paradise, and my pool! :) :)
> Boys' and girls' tastes are different. Expecting them to enjoy the same themes
> IMO is unreasonable. I think TLC figured this out long ago and hence the
> divergence of marketing strategies for boys and girls.
Boys and girls are different?!?! I thought it was just the hair piece!
:) (Just kidding, John. I agree with your assessments, but I could not
resist!)
Scott S.
"Hi, my name is Scott, and I liked the... Paradisa sets!"
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> Boys and girls are different?!?! I thought it was just the hair piece!
No, you see, BOYS have beards and such and GIRLS have long eyelashes and
lipsticked lips! That's what I think he meant. ;)
Seriously though, I'm a "boy" with long hair, but I don't keep it combed
straight down and the other long hair pieces look dumb for "boys". I don't wear
a cowboy hat, baseball cap, chef's hat and I don't walk around with a helmet on
everyday. Unless I let my hair go much longer to the Qui-Gon length and style,
it's really hard to represent myself in the minifig world. I'd be out of luck
if I didn't wear this pirate hat all the time!
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John Neal wrote:
> Your spin on TLC's marketing to girls is interesting. Although you and your wife
> find it objectionable, I and my daughter don't. In fact, I would say that the
> vast majority like it, or otherwise TLC wouldn't have invested so much into it.
OTOH, my daughter (now 15) looks with scorn on the "girls" Lego sets.
She likes space themes - realistic ones, not sci-fi. In fact she also
scorns the Lego female faces, calling them "lipstick babes". (She also
scorns Barbie and other "girls stuff" and always has, although I
wouldn't call her a tomboy). Interestingly, though, when she builds her
own spaceships, she's far more interested in building the interiors than
the exteriors, and they are exploration ships, not fighting ships.
Kevin
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Kevin Wilson wrote:
> John Neal wrote:
>
> > Your spin on TLC's marketing to girls is interesting. Although you and your wife
> > find it objectionable, I and my daughter don't. In fact, I would say that the
> > vast majority like it, or otherwise TLC wouldn't have invested so much into it.
>
> OTOH, my daughter (now 15) looks with scorn on the "girls" Lego sets.
That's okay....She's *15*. The sets are geared toward 7-12 year olds.
> She likes space themes - realistic ones, not sci-fi. In fact she also
> scorns the Lego female faces, calling them "lipstick babes".
lol Good for her. Anything beyond the classic smiley is too much, IMHO:-)
> (She also
> scorns Barbie and other "girls stuff" and always has, although I
> wouldn't call her a tomboy). Interestingly, though, when she builds her
> own spaceships, she's far more interested in building the interiors than
> the exteriors, and they are exploration ships, not fighting ships.
It *is* interesting. Girls and boys *are* different. Is that so surprising or
sexist? Not to me (not implying to you, either. Rhetorical, really) Sounds like
you have a great daughter:-)
-John
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In lugnet.general, Kevin Wilson writes:
> John Neal wrote:
>
> > Your spin on TLC's marketing to girls is interesting. Although you and your • wife
> > find it objectionable, I and my daughter don't. In fact, I would say that • the
> > vast majority like it, or otherwise TLC wouldn't have invested so much into • it.
>
> OTOH, my daughter (now 15) looks with scorn on the "girls" Lego sets.
> She likes space themes - realistic ones, not sci-fi. In fact she also
> scorns the Lego female faces, calling them "lipstick babes". (She also
> scorns Barbie and other "girls stuff" and always has, although I
> wouldn't call her a tomboy). Interestingly, though, when she builds her
> own spaceships, she's far more interested in building the interiors than
> the exteriors, and they are exploration ships, not fighting ships.
I'm a boy and I like building interior more than exterior (you'll see some of
that in Seaborn Brick) I once built a recreation of the dinning room in the
movie "THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE" Down to every detail...plates, cups,
decorations on the walls, even all the chracters from the movie!!
Then I turned the whole thing upsidedown, took some pictures, and had a mini
Poseidon Adventure....(I should really get the pictures up)....
So I'm more geared towards interior....the destroying all of it!
Erin
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> She likes space themes - realistic ones, not sci-fi. In fact she also
You mean like launch command for example?
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Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> You mean like launch command for example?
Yes, although she uses the parts to build her own stuff - deep space
ships, or space stations.
Kevin
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In lugnet.general, John Neal writes:
>
>
> Eric Kingsley wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Just don't dumb things down for girls.
>
> Your spin on TLC's marketing to girls is interesting. Although you and your • wife
> find it objectionable, I and my daughter don't. In fact, I would say that the
> vast majority like it, or otherwise TLC wouldn't have invested so much into • it.
>
> I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that • girls
> would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys would • rather
> play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs. Witness the • unsuccessful
> Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like it are Art Deco and Miami • Vice
> fans;-)
Well, the midi / maxi -figs part for girls might be true, but unsuccessful
paradisa line?
Maybe it's just me, but I was between the 7-12 range when Paradisa was
marketed, and I loved it (and I still like it). My favorite sets (though I did
not own them) were the house with the pool, and the beach cafe`. I owned
Cabana beach (a dock with a surfer, a boat, etc.) and a playground. If I
recall correctly, pink was NOT what attracted me to the sets. The buildings
did that - normal, relaxed situations, but still with as much playability as
space or castle! (Personally, I also liked castle at that age, and I wanted (I
still do...) the 4558 train.)
> Boys' and girls' tastes are different. Expecting them to enjoy the same • themes
> IMO is unreasonable. I think TLC figured this out long ago and hence the
> divergence of marketing strategies for boys and girls.
I don't think that the issue is that girl's tastes are different than
boy's, but that girl's *interests* are different than boy's. This may seem the
same thing, but it's not - most 5-12 girls I know like blue and purple as
favorite colors, only a few like pink. But even if they did like pink the
best, that wouldn't matter at all!
I just asked my sister and neighbor (girls, ages 10 and 7) what stuff they
would like to build the most. The answers were: Houses (my sis), spaceships
(!!) (neighbor). Also, I asked my sister what she would buy if she could
choose from a) a green house or b) a purple (her favorite color) spaceship.
She said the house, because the color didn't matter so much...
(I know, you can't base a conclusion on two girls, but still, it sort-of
proves my point... :-)
> Personally, I find elements colored trans
> green, red, yellow, orange, etc. completely unusable and a waste.
I mostly agree, but decoration is a nice use...
Well, those were my (long) 2 cents worth...
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> I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that girls
> would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys would rather
> play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs. Witness the unsuccessful
> Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like it are Art Deco and Miami Vice
> fans;-)
Gotta call you on this one, man. (: I *love* Paradisa. I wish I hadn't
been in my Dark Ages while it was available. I wish I could get ahold of
it -- I need the pieces-parts to build my town, Southern-California
style, but there's no way I can afford them now.
And dang it, it had huge piles of female minifigs! ARGH! I want more
chick minifigs! (:
As for girls preferring midi- or maxi-size figs, I don't know if that's
a truth or not. I can say for certain that I played more with my smaller
dolls when I was a child because it was easier to cart more of them
around with me. (: But I'm weird.
==Leanne
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Leanne Opaskar wrote:
> > I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that girls
> > would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys would rather
> > play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs. Witness the unsuccessful
> > Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like it are Art Deco and Miami Vice
> > fans;-)
>
> Gotta call you on this one, man. (: I *love* Paradisa. I wish I hadn't
> been in my Dark Ages while it was available. I wish I could get ahold of
> it -- I need the pieces-parts to build my town, Southern-California
> style, but there's no way I can afford them now.
They weren't all that cheap then, either. I liked the theme as well, but I think
overall it was a flop ie no one bought it.
> And dang it, it had huge piles of female minifigs! ARGH! I want more
> chick minifigs! (:
>
> As for girls preferring midi- or maxi-size figs, I don't know if that's
> a truth or not. I can say for certain that I played more with my smaller
> dolls when I was a child because it was easier to cart more of them
> around with me. (: But I'm weird.
You have a point. I'm thinking of Polly Pockets. Now they were downright tiny, and my
daughter loved them. We have tons of them. But they were cute and a fad; a better
example of a toy standing the test of time is Barbie or, more recently, the American
Girl Doll phenomenon. They are big so that one can play with the accessories as
well;-)
-John
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>
> ==Leanne
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In lugnet.general, John Neal writes:
>
>
> Eric Kingsley wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Just don't dumb things down for girls.
>
> Your spin on TLC's marketing to girls is interesting. Although you and your
> wife find it objectionable, I and my daughter don't. In fact, I would say
> that the vast majority like it, or otherwise TLC wouldn't have invested so
> much into it.
I do not know where you are from so I can't make any assumptions based on your
market but in the US you almost never see either Belville or Scala in stores
and usually when you do see it its in a specialty store (in my experiance
anyway). I think that the the direct compition for these sets in the states is
Barbie and IMHO that is a losing battle. I therefore do not think that these
lines are successful in the U.S. anyway and that is my only perspective. These
lines may be very successful in other contries.
> I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that
> girls would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys
> would rather play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs. Witness
> the unsuccessful Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like it are Art
> Deco and Miami Vice fans;-)
The one thing I agree with here is that Boys would rather play with space ships
and vehicles *for* minifigs. I don't necessarily think that girl would rather
have midi and maxifigs. Many doll-houses don't have figs at all and are mostly
full of furniture that girls can place as they like. I think that a town theme
where the focus was on the interior that had minifigs to scale with the rooms
would be a great success for LEGO. The one thing doll-houses don't have is the
ability to change the building itself and LEGO is perfectly suited for this.
>
> So your statement about dumbing things down for girls doesn't make any sense.
> If anything, TLC has dumbed down sets for *boys* (ie Town Jr). Just because
> the lines directed towards girls (Belville, Scala) come in wild greens, pinks,
> and oranges doesn't mean a darned thing. Personally, I find elements colored
> trans green, red, yellow, orange, etc. completely unusable and a waste.
Well my argument may have made no sense to you and that is fine. I agree that
Town is juniorized and it is for Boys but younger boys before they move on to
the more action oriented themes. IMHO think that if Town were unjuniorized it
would have a good chance of building a large following with older girls.
Again any color in moderation is good. My opinion however is that pink is a
focus for these themes and that is not necessary for marketing a set to girls.
>
> Boys' and girls' tastes are different. Expecting them to enjoy the same
> themes IMO is unreasonable. I think TLC figured this out long ago and hence
> the divergence of marketing strategies for boys and girls.
I agree totally. I would not expect boys to be interested in the types of town
sets that I am suggesting.
>
> My .02,
> John
You make some very valid points I just think that we each have our 2 cents in
different pockets hence the different viewpoints.
Eric
The New England LEGO Users Group
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Eric Kingsley wrote:
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> IMHO think that if Town were unjuniorized it
> would have a good chance of building a large following with older girls.
<snip>
I know I'll prolly get lit up good for this, but here goes. Generally speaking, I
don't see LEGO as being a toy sought out by girls. Now before you ignite the
torches, let me explain.
First, take an empirical look around lugnet and rtl. What you find is about (I'm
guessing, of course) 99.x% males. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but it
means something. LEGO attracts guys. Now I'm NOT saying that it doesn't attract
females as well, just not nearly as much. I would be very interested to hear from
AFOLers such as Tamy, Julie KrenZILLA, and Jody, Suz, etc. as to how they got into
LEGO. My little hypothesis is that they were mentored into LEGO. That is, a
parent or an adult actively initiated and encouraged the child to play with LEGO.
And, of course, being the perfect toy for boy or girl, the child was hooked. That
is at least how *my* daughter got into LEGO. I don't think that she would have
sought it out on her own.
I hope you all don't think I'm being sexist here because that isn't my intent
(although I *do* believe that boys and girls are not "equal", ie the same, but are
very different by natures).
My point is this: the themes of the LEGO sets are prohibitive to capturing the
interest of girls. Girls don't respond to conflict and aggression, which is
basically inherent in every theme. Even town, the tamest of the themes,
experiences robberies and accidents and emergencies with astounding regularity.
That is why I think Belville, Paradisa, and Scala appeal to girls. No conflict,
just fun in the sun, going to the beach, riding your horse and just hanging out.
As for the colors, well, there is scientific evidence (although I know not where)
that pastel colors have a soothing effect upon people. It fits in well with that
theme.
Belville and Scala notwithstanding, if TLC wants to get girls interested in LEGO,
they are going to have to convince their (the girls', not TLC's;) parents to buy
it for them and encourage them to play with it, because, although action and
conflict themes with naturally attract boys, it won't girls, IMHO.
-John <donning flame suit>
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John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote:
> AFOLers such as Tamy, Julie KrenZILLA, and Jody, Suz, etc. as to how they
> got into LEGO. My little hypothesis is that they were mentored into LEGO.
> That is, a parent or an adult actively initiated and encouraged the child
> to play with LEGO. And, of course, being the perfect toy for boy or girl,
> the child was hooked. That is at least how *my* daughter got into LEGO. I
> don't think that she would have sought it out on her own.
Part of my frustration is that it's difficult to _find_ Lego system toys
that are generally appealing to girls. Almost all of the sets are fire
trucks, police stations, race cars, or space/castle/pirate sets, and as
someone else mentioned, all very conflict-oriented. As I've said before,
it's not that these things can't appeal to girls, but for various reasons,
they often don't as much.
> My point is this: the themes of the LEGO sets are prohibitive to capturing
> the interest of girls. Girls don't respond to conflict and aggression,
> which is basically inherent in every theme. Even town, the tamest of the
> themes, experiences robberies and accidents and emergencies with astounding
> regularity.
Exactly. So why not produce regular, non-pinkified Lego System sets which
also are non-conflict oriented. I'm sure you've all seen me rant about this
before -- schools, restaurants, shops, parks, etc. Scala and Belville have
two strikes against them in my mind -- first, they really have problems with
gender stereotypes. But more importantly, they miss out on the most
important and interesting Lego feature -- there's barely anything to build.
I have some young female relatives that I'd love to buy Lego sets for. But
it's very difficult to pick out ones I think would inspire a love of Lego.
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TLC has produced some non-conflict sets, the one that comes to my mind
is 6595 'Surf Shack'. I somewhat suspect that this set was sort of a
prototype-Paradisa set, although without the pink. Train sets would also
fall into this catagory.
Ray
Matthew Miller wrote:
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> Exactly. So why not produce regular, non-pinkified Lego System sets which
> also are non-conflict oriented. I'm sure you've all seen me rant about this
> before -- schools, restaurants, shops, parks, etc. Scala and Belville have
> two strikes against them in my mind -- first, they really have problems with
> gender stereotypes. But more importantly, they miss out on the most
> important and interesting Lego feature -- there's barely anything to build.
>
> I have some young female relatives that I'd love to buy Lego sets for. But
> it's very difficult to pick out ones I think would inspire a love of Lego.
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In lugnet.general, Matthew Miller writes:
> John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote:
> > AFOLers such as Tamy, Julie KrenZILLA, and Jody, Suz, etc. as to how they
> > got into LEGO. My little hypothesis is that they were mentored into LEGO.
> > That is, a parent or an adult actively initiated and encouraged the child
> > to play with LEGO. And, of course, being the perfect toy for boy or girl,
> > the child was hooked. That is at least how *my* daughter got into LEGO. I
> > don't think that she would have sought it out on her own.
>
> Part of my frustration is that it's difficult to _find_ Lego system toys
> that are generally appealing to girls. Almost all of the sets are fire
> trucks, police stations, race cars, or space/castle/pirate sets, and as
> someone else mentioned, all very conflict-oriented. As I've said before,
> it's not that these things can't appeal to girls, but for various reasons,
> they often don't as much.
>
>
> > My point is this: the themes of the LEGO sets are prohibitive to capturing
> > the interest of girls. Girls don't respond to conflict and aggression,
> > which is basically inherent in every theme. Even town, the tamest of the
> > themes, experiences robberies and accidents and emergencies with astounding
> > regularity.
>
> Exactly. So why not produce regular, non-pinkified Lego System sets which
> also are non-conflict oriented. I'm sure you've all seen me rant about this
> before -- schools, restaurants, shops, parks, etc. Scala and Belville have
> two strikes against them in my mind -- first, they really have problems with
> gender stereotypes. But more importantly, they miss out on the most
> important and interesting Lego feature -- there's barely anything to build.
>
> I have some young female relatives that I'd love to buy Lego sets for. But
> it's very difficult to pick out ones I think would inspire a love of Lego.
>
> --
> Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
> Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
OK well an AFOL mother of a boy(2yrs) and a girl (10yrs) I guess I'm qualified
to add something to this discussion.
My daughter, would've actually loved the pink cutesy themed sets when she was
three to five yrs old. That is when she started to love barbies (much to my
disgust, and she didnt get many of then either!)
I, as a child having two older brothers, was hell bent on proving that I could
keep up with them, I had no fear, and although they were much older than me, I
was right there with them, wanting the respect that boys gave each other, when
able to stretch themselves physically.
I had to climb as high, run as fast, etc. they gave me hell, which made me
more determined to prove that I could achieve the same as them. this has
served me well, as I am still highly competitive, and driven in my chosen
career.
I won't go into the horrible things my brothers used to do to show me my
place in the scheme of things. As much as it was my childhood goal to gain an
equal footing with my brothers, it was their desire to tease, hassle, and set
almost impossible challenges for themselves, which I usually, and dangerously
tried to match
By the same token, they were the ones who taught me to fight tooth and nail if
ever attacked by older kids, and this came in handy, believe me. They taught
me to fend for myself, though ocasionally they would step in and protect me if
I was being hassled by a much older and larger boy.
I sometimes did get into physical fights with older boys at shcool cause when
hassled, I would refuse to kow tow. I didnt back down when my brothers hassled
me and they were 4 and 7 yrs older than me!
OK enough about me, I guess my point is that I feel that place within the
family, ages and sex of siblings, parental expectations, culture etc etc etc,
are just as much an issue, as biological sex.
My daughter, much to my relief, has finally passed the barbie and fairy stage,
(as I always found this hard to relate to, however we are now coming into a
much more interesting stage, well hopefully, not just a stage, but a way of
life) for xmas I have purchased her the complete adventurer Egyption theme.
For her birthday next year I have a lot of castle sets, the reason behind this
decision is that she is very much interested in adventure, and other cultures,
she has a fasination for Bog people, Mummies, hidden treasure (she would
really like the pirate sets for this reason but we had to leave something for
her brother - who is pirate mad!) She is very feminine, doesnt like sport much
but has an enquiring mind and a thirst for knowledge.
Please don't think domesticity, and houses for girls vs murder and mayhem for
boys, supplement the historical sets with fun educational resources such as
books on life in ancient egypt, thier jewellery, pottery, heiroglyphics, look
for novels for kids set in ancient egypt, computer games, etc you would be
amazed what is available when you start to look, I have done this for both
xmas and birthday (books on medieval life, craft idea books so she can make
things pertaining to castle life etc) so she has "themed presents" (not all
her presents are a part of the theme, this would be boring, but most are)
Lego is a great educational tool, both as sheer creative role playing and
construction skills, and also as an offshoot into a love of history (this is
the reason that I primarily collect Pirates, castles, adventurers - you can be
sure that I will supplement the dino sets for my son with books, software,
crafts etc for next yrs birthday! Can't wait!)
Ok If you have got this far, congratiulations! I tend to ramble once i get
going, sorry! For the record I hate the pink themend sets, and I would've
hated them when I was a kid, my daughter would've grown out of them by the
time she was 5 or 6. She shows some interest in your average cars and trucks,
but loves the sets I mentioned above.
Hope this gives some of you some xmas ideas!
Just realised this thread is posted to dear lego too, hopefull will give a
hint there too to keep up the "historical sets" please!
Rachel :-)
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Rachel Kingston <Kingston@spirit.com.au> wrote:
> Please don't think domesticity, and houses for girls vs murder and mayhem for
> boys, supplement the historical sets with fun educational resources such as
You're right; I didn't mean to say that. Note my distain for the Scala line.
I'd like to see the better non-conflict oriented sets for boys AND girls.
But I also have a hypothesis that these sets would sell really well to
girls. And when I'm looking for a set to buy for my cousins, this is what
I'd be looking for.
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In lugnet.general, John Neal writes:
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>
> Eric Kingsley wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > IMHO think that if Town were unjuniorized it
> > would have a good chance of building a large following with older girls.
>
> <snip>
>
> I know I'll prolly get lit up good for this, but here goes. Generally
> speaking, I don't see LEGO as being a toy sought out by girls. Now before you
> ignite the torches, let me explain.
Well I am not going to light you up at all because I agree with most of what
you say. I actually think that other than a few slight differences our views
on this subject are very similar.
I agree that LEGO is not sought out by girls. I really think we have to ask
ourselves why that is and how to correct it. LEGO is the "Toy of the Century"
so why can't girls just as actively seek it out as boys? I think it all goes
back to a lot of sterio types that unfortunately still persist today. Boy's
are encouraged more often then girls to be creative and to do problem solving.
Girls are encouraged more to play with dolls and deal with dimestic things
like cooking, cleaning, and entertaining.
I think these steriotypes have begun to change but they have not changed as
much as some people would like to think. Some of this is the fault of the
parent in that they do not encorage problem solving in Girls but some of the
fault (at least in terms of LEGO) is linked to marketing. I think that if
Girls saw other girls playing with LEGO on TV and building things that girls
would be interested in then girls would actively seek out LEGO.
>
> First, take an empirical look around lugnet and rtl. What you find is about
> (I'm guessing, of course) 99.x% males. I'm not sure exactly what that means,
> but it means something. LEGO attracts guys. Now I'm NOT saying that it
> doesn't attract females as well, just not nearly as much. I would be very
> interested to hear from AFOLers such as Tamy, Julie KrenZILLA, and Jody, Suz,
> etc. as to how they got into LEGO. My little hypothesis is that they were
> mentored into LEGO. That is, a parent or an adult actively initiated and
> encouraged the child to play with LEGO. And, of course, being the perfect toy
> for boy or girl, the child was hooked.
> That is at least how *my* daughter got into LEGO. I don't think that she
> would have sought it out on her own.
I agree with all of this and you and any parent with girls should be
congradulated for initiating them into LEGO. If LEGO is such a great toy for
learning then Boy's and Girl's should be encouraged to play with it.
>
> I hope you all don't think I'm being sexist here because that isn't my intent
> (although I *do* believe that boys and girls are not "equal", ie the same, but
> are very different by natures).
I don't think you are being sexist at all. Unfortuantly the world is not equal
and never will be. There are diferances in boys and girls but that does not
mean that LEGO cannot satisfy both their needs under a common theme.
>
> My point is this: the themes of the LEGO sets are prohibitive to capturing
> the interest of girls. Girls don't respond to conflict and aggression, which
> is basically inherent in every theme. Even town, the tamest of the themes,
> experiences robberies and accidents and emergencies with astounding
> regularity.
I agree totally and I for one wish there were less confict inherent in each
theme but unfortunately we live in a world full of conflict and that is what we
are spoon fed by TV every day. My whole point here is that the addition of a
new sub-theme to town like "Main Street" or "At Home" would appeal to girls if
they dealt with more non-conflict oriented issues.
>
> That is why I think Belville, Paradisa, and Scala appeal to girls. No
> conflict, just fun in the sun, going to the beach, riding your horse and just
> hanging out.
Thats all true but why can't that be the theme for a town sub-theme?
> As for the colors, well, there is scientific evidence (although I know not
> where) that pastel colors have a soothing effect upon people. It fits in well
> with that theme.
That may be true but I still don't like the fact that many companies think toys
(or at least packageing) has to be pink for a girl to like it.
>
> Belville and Scala notwithstanding, if TLC wants to get girls interested in
> LEGO, they are going to have to convince their (the girls', not TLC's;)
> parents to buy it for them and encourage them to play with it, because,
> although action and conflict themes with naturally attract boys, it won't
> girls, IMHO.
I agree and it all goes back to what I said earlier about marketing to girls
using girls playing with LEGO in a way that girls would be interested in
playing with LEGO.
>
> -John <donning flame suit>
No flames hear I don't think a thing you said was wrong or out of place. I
personally think that this is a very good discussion and who knows maybe
someone at LEGO is reading it and at least thinking about the issue of getting
girls more involved with LEGO.
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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Eric Kingsley <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote:
> much as some people would like to think. Some of this is the fault of the
> parent in that they do not encorage problem solving in Girls but some of the
> fault (at least in terms of LEGO) is linked to marketing. I think that if
> Girls saw other girls playing with LEGO on TV and building things that girls
> would be interested in then girls would actively seek out LEGO.
I guess part of my point is that not only are the Lego Company's current
efforts not a part of the solution, they are ACTIVELY a part of the problem.
Their "for girls" line is their least problem-solving/building oriented, and
conversely, Technic is specifically labelled "boys only".
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Hi John and everyone,
Before I respond to John's letter, I'd like to say this:
As a girl, not so long ago fitting in the Scala and Belville age range, with
three (both older and younger) sisters and three girl cousins, I have to say
that I agree that girls don't like LEGO as much as boys, but I think it's
can't be "blamed" solely on parents OR on TLC. It has to do with both.
Basically, I mean that with just a "leetle" bit parental or other
encouragement (i.e. buying one set, seeing sets at friends' or family's
houses, etc.) and some theme development on TLC's side, girls can get hooked
on lego, and I mean HOOKED.
I have examples for this, such as my cousin and little sister being influenced
by my love to lego. I can explain this in more detail if somebody wants me to -
I'm simply busy right now and it's long.
Now to John's letter...
In lugnet.general, John Neal writes:
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> Eric Kingsley wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > IMHO think that if Town were unjuniorized it
> > would have a good chance of building a large following with older girls.
>
> <snip>
>
> I know I'll prolly get lit up good for this, but here goes. Generally • speaking, I
> don't see LEGO as being a toy sought out by girls. Now before you ignite the
> torches, let me explain.
>
> First, take an empirical look around lugnet and rtl. What you find is about • (I'm
> guessing, of course) 99.x% males.
Well, maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure this is true - I see lots of
females around here.
> I'm not sure exactly what that means, but it
> means something. LEGO attracts guys. Now I'm NOT saying that it doesn't
> attract
> females as well, just not nearly as much. I would be very interested to hear
> from
> AFOLers such as Tamy, Julie KrenZILLA, and Jody, Suz, etc. as to how they got
> into
> LEGO. My little hypothesis is that they were mentored into LEGO. That is, a
> parent or an adult actively initiated and encouraged the child to play with
> LEGO.
That's very reasonable. But are you implying that only girls are mentored into
LEGO, and boys aren't? I'm not sure I agree.
I for one, got interested in LEGO after I received some (unknown number)
universal set while living in the U.S. (around age of 4, maybe.)
I wasn't really mentored into LEGO - I immediatly liked it a lot, even though
my two older sisters (or parents, for that fact) didn't have much interest in
LEGO.
As I said, my sister gained interest in LEGO much because of my liking it -
she didn't have lots of LEGO when we were both younger, but now that I'm
constantly involved with LEGO, she developed a liking to it too.
> And, of course, being the perfect toy for boy or girl, the child was hooked. • That
> is at least how *my* daughter got into LEGO. I don't think that she would • have
> sought it out on her own.
Maybe not. But do you think a boy could have?
> I hope you all don't think I'm being sexist here because that isn't my intent
> (although I *do* believe that boys and girls are not "equal", ie the same, • but are
> very different by natures).
>
> My point is this: the themes of the LEGO sets are prohibitive to capturing
> the
> interest of girls. Girls don't respond to conflict and aggression, which is
> basically inherent in every theme. Even town, the tamest of the themes,
> experiences robberies and accidents and emergencies with astounding
> regularity.
That's where TLC should start working - change those themes, or add to them.
I can see Castle, Town, even Pirates, appealing to girls if there was a
feminine touch to them. IMHO, in order to do that, TLC must first of all
normalize the ratios between male to female in their sets. (I always wondered
how they got from a 51:49 ratio to 10:90...) Then, they should relieve some of
that aformentioned tension and aggression, at least slightly. More realistic
Towns and Castles would definitely work, such as stores, restaurants, etc. for
town, and some farms surrounding the castle with families living there. (Just
some ideas - I would *love* to see them be part of the LEGO line.)
> That is why I think Belville, Paradisa, and Scala appeal to girls. No • conflict,
> just fun in the sun, going to the beach, riding your horse and just hanging • out.
> As for the colors, well, there is scientific evidence (although I know not • where)
> that pastel colors have a soothing effect upon people. It fits in well with • that
> theme.
Well, maybe. But I think depending on the colors for a sale is a big mistake.
(if TLC do that, I mean.)
>
> Belville and Scala notwithstanding, if TLC wants to get girls interested in • LEGO,
> they are going to have to convince their (the girls', not TLC's;) parents to • buy
> it for them and encourage them to play with it, because, although action and
> conflict themes with naturally attract boys, it won't girls, IMHO.
Yeah, but if TLC would work on stuff that girls -would- like, the parents
wouldn't have to encourage them; on the contrary, the girls would ASK the
parents to buy sets for them, like I assume boys do now.
I think that if TLC would really think about this, they would attract a bigger
crowd - there is no reason why they shouldn't.
Just my two cents worth...
-Shiri
P.S. Notice, John, I couldn't really disagree with anything you said... I
tried hard, but it didn't work... ;-D Just kidding :-?
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In lugnet.general, Shiri Dori writes:
> Hi John and everyone,
>
> Before I respond to John's letter, I'd like to say this:
> As a girl, not so long ago fitting in the Scala and Belville age range, with
> three (both older and younger) sisters and three girl cousins, I have to say
> that I agree that girls don't like LEGO as much as boys, but I think it's
> can't be "blamed" solely on parents OR on TLC. It has to do with both.
>
> Basically, I mean that with just a "leetle" bit parental or other
> encouragement (i.e. buying one set, seeing sets at friends' or family's
> houses, etc.) and some theme development on TLC's side, girls can get hooked
> on lego, and I mean HOOKED.
>
> I have examples for this, such as my cousin and little sister being influenced
> by my love to lego. I can explain this in more detail if somebody wants me to • -
> I'm simply busy right now and it's long.
Shiri,
I hope you are right. So far my little girl is showing some interest in
lego. I am a little worried that she isn't interested enough. Although my
wife encourages me by reminding me she is only 10 months old. ;-)
Steve
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In lugnet.general, Steve Martin writes:
>
> Shiri,
> I hope you are right. So far my little girl is showing some interest in
> lego. I am a little worried that she isn't interested enough. Although my
> wife encourages me by reminding me she is only 10 months old. ;-)
>
> Steve
LOL! :-D
Thanks for making my day!
-Shiri
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In lugnet.general, Steve Martin writes:
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> So far my little girl is showing some interest in
> lego. I am a little worried that she isn't interested enough. Although my
> wife encourages me by reminding me she is only 10 months old. ;-)
>
> Steve
LOL too! Give her time, Steve, and she probably won't need very much, with
your encouragement... my just-turned-two-year-old has lots of Primo
and Duplo, and she continually asks to "build a tower", "build a dinosaur",
"make a choo-choo train", and tonight made a farm. Not what you'd immediately
recognize, but we had fun. When your little girl gets the hang of piling
the bricks properly and realizes they stay together, watch out, the sky's the
limit! She still likes taking hats and heads off minifigs, though, which seems
to be common amongst little children - just a warning.
To stay on topic, I think the girly lego has its uses, if it introduces girls
who live and breathe pink girly things (either through conditioning or natural
inclination) to Lego and leads them to build their own things. There are loads
of AFOL's, male and female, whose creations have nothing to do with conflict -
it's not a one-to-one correspondance from "regular Lego is all conflict and is
for boys" and "pink Lego is non-conflict and is for girls", that's nonsense of
course. I agree that girls (or, if you prefer, "those with a preference for
less conflict and adrenaline") could use a bit more scope from TLC, but most
sets can be played with with a non-conflict approach, if you see what I mean -
the cowboys and Indians don't have to be enemies. The tendency for children
who own Lego to be boys is less a reflection on the children, but on parents.
Whew, enough philosophy for now. Gotta go build some stuff.
Heather Patey
St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
Pirate Wench / Brick Detective
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John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote:
> I may be wrong, but I think that their market research has discovered that
> girls would rather play with midi and maxifigs, rather than minifigs. Boys
> would rather play with the space ships and vehicles *for* minifigs.
> Witness the unsuccessful Paradisa line. The only people who seem to like
> it are Art Deco and Miami Vice fans;-)
Actully, I think your last sentence captures the issue more than the first
point. The problem with Paradisa isn't that it was marketed for girls. The
problem is that it was a weird pink and has strange architectural stuff
going on.
I think regular town sets -- schools, stores, restaurants, houses,
libraries, movie theaters, etc. have a good chance of doing well among both
girls and boys.
And it's also important to consider exactly who does the purchasing. _I_
would certainly buy sets like this for my young female relatives. Last
christmas, I wanted to get Lego for my 7-year-old cousin. I tried to find a
set that she would like. Unfortunately, the available town sets were all
fire trucks and race cars and so on. Not that girls can't like those things,
but it's not something that would make her excited. I finally settled on the
news reporter set, because at least it had a female minifig. It's really too
bad that there was nothing available!
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Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
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Matthew Miller wrote:
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> Actully, I think your last sentence captures the issue more than the first
> point. The problem with Paradisa isn't that it was marketed for girls. The
> problem is that it was a weird pink and has strange architectural stuff
> going on.
For the architectural stuff, we would need a second TLC motto: 'build
well' :)
> I think regular town sets -- schools, stores, restaurants, houses,
> libraries, movie theaters, etc. have a good chance of doing well among both
> girls and boys.
TLCs motto (IIRC) is 'play well', not 'build well'. A large portion of
the existing sets have to do with battles or adventure (Castle, Pirate,
Star Wars, Adventurers to name a few). Town sets seem to be oriented
towards a different type of conflict, cops vs bad guys. Even the 'Race'
play theme had an underlying concept of winning and losing. The
Paradisa, Scala & Belville themes differ in that they are more 'real
life' (a more perfect existance). Little conflict or battle. I find it
strange that TLC seems to avoid direct reference to guns and wars, but
encourages battles and conflict.
Ray
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Ray Sanders <rsanders@gate.net> wrote:
> Wars, Adventurers to name a few). Town sets seem to be oriented towards a
> different type of conflict, cops vs bad guys. Even the 'Race' play theme
> had an underlying concept of winning and losing. The Paradisa, Scala &
> Belville themes differ in that they are more 'real life' (a more perfect
A good point. And arguably (perhaps unfairly, but that's a further debate) a
traditional male testosterone-driven worldview. Why does "play" mean
"conflict"?
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(donning flame-retardant attire)
When these young people walk out into the real world, they will find
that not everyone is testosterone-driven, regardless of their gender.
Gender and aggressive behavior do not line up evenly. I have known
aggressive females and pasive/gentle males. While we are using gender to
spotlight the problem (with set design), it is not necessarily a gender
oriented issue.
Ray
Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> A good point. And arguably (perhaps unfairly, but that's a further debate) a
> traditional male testosterone-driven worldview. Why does "play" mean
> "conflict"?
>
> --
> Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
> Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
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And in fact when I was a child (not that long ago, born in 1974) Lego sets
weren't all that conflict oriented either. The space sets of the time had
no weapons for instance. The first set with a fighting theme that I can
think of is the yellow castle (it came with swords). There was nothing like
Star Wars or the modern space legos.
Now we used to have methods for making guns, etc, out of Lego pieces, but it
required building and some imagination.
I also don't see what is conflict oriented about large earth moving
vehicle-type sets. A lot of the town sets that my brother and I had were
tractors, cranes, etc (we also had the fire and police oriented stuff, and
quite a few airplanes/airports).
I had two close friends who were girls when I was in lower school, and they
were both into Lego as well. One fit into the tom-boy stereotype, but the
other didn't.
alex
"Ray Sanders" <rsanders@gate.net> wrote in message
news:385574F0.3AFD3860@gate.net...
> When these young people walk out into the real world, they will find
> that not everyone is testosterone-driven, regardless of their gender.
> Gender and aggressive behavior do not line up evenly. I have known
> aggressive females and pasive/gentle males. While we are using gender to
> spotlight the problem (with set design), it is not necessarily a gender
> oriented issue.
>
> Ray
>
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> >
> > A good point. And arguably (perhaps unfairly, but that's a further • debate) a
> > traditional male testosterone-driven worldview. Why does "play" mean
> > "conflict"?
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Miller ---> • mattdm@mattdm.org
> > Quotes 'R' Us ---> • http://quotes-r-us.org/
> >
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In lugnet.general, Matthew Miller writes:
> Ray Sanders <rsanders@gate.net> wrote:
> > Wars, Adventurers to name a few). Town sets seem to be oriented towards a
> > different type of conflict, cops vs bad guys. Even the 'Race' play theme
> > had an underlying concept of winning and losing. The Paradisa, Scala &
> > Belville themes differ in that they are more 'real life' (a more perfect
>
> A good point. And arguably (perhaps unfairly, but that's a further debate) a
> traditional male testosterone-driven worldview. Why does "play" mean
> "conflict"?
"Only You, the LEGO Maniac, can determine what color dress Shala will
wear to the dance."
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jthompson@esker.com "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily"
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To attract a bigger share of the market, look at the popular figures and toys and
either liscence them (pokemon lego???) or make something similar. e.g. power
rangers were (or are) proplar so make something similar.
--
Jonathan Wilson
wilsonj@xoommail.com
http://members.xoom.com/wilsonj/
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In lugnet.general, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> To attract a bigger share of the market, look at the popular figures and toys • and
> either liscence them (pokemon lego???) or make something similar. e.g. power
> rangers were (or are) proplar so make something similar.
>
> --
> Jonathan Wilson
> wilsonj@xoommail.com
> http://members.xoom.com/wilsonj/
If I ever see a Pokemon LEGO, I WILL throw up. Power rangers!?!?!
When I was 12 I made the ENTIRE LINE of Thundercats (now on Cartoon Network)
on mini-fig scale. Nothing could touch my Thundercat Tank or my Cats Lair
Fortress. My Mummra was EVIL and my Liono was authentic. If LEGO could team
up with Cartoon Network and make a DECENT line of Thundercats (LJN is dead as
a toymaker) I would FLIP MY LID!!!! Cartoon Network is where it's at, baby!!!!
PLEASE, LEGO, DO THE THUNDERCATS.
If you need refreshers, EMAIL ME!!!
Aaron>maniac@vol.com
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In lugnet.general, Aaron West writes:
> In lugnet.general, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> > To attract a bigger share of the market, look at the popular figures and toys
> > and either liscence them (pokemon lego???) or make something similar. e.g.
> > power rangers were (or are) proplar so make something similar.
>
> If I ever see a Pokemon LEGO, I WILL throw up.
Yeah, but just think, with a Pikachu Lego Piece, you'd have a new "Evil
Monster for Knights to Slay(TM)". :) Although, I think I'd save that spot for
Jigglypuff. On the upside, I'd have a Jesse Minifig(1). ;)
> Power rangers!?!?!
Ick. Is that show still around??
> When I was 12 I made the ENTIRE LINE of Thundercats (now on Cartoon Network)
> on mini-fig scale. Nothing could touch my Thundercat Tank or my Cats Lair
> Fortress. My Mummra was EVIL and my Liono was authentic. If LEGO could team
> up with Cartoon Network and make a DECENT line of Thundercats (LJN is dead as
> a toymaker) I would FLIP MY LID!!!! Cartoon Network is where it's at, baby!!!
> PLEASE, LEGO, DO THE THUNDERCATS.
> If you need refreshers, EMAIL ME!!!
> Aaron>maniac@vol.com
If they were going to do a classic animation series, it'd *have* to be
Robotech. *Nothing* can compare. Besides, a transformable Veritech Fighter
would be *so* much cooler than a dinky X-Wing. :) Oooh!! Ultimate Collectors
Series Veritech! Now that would rake in the money!
Jeff
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On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:12:26 GMT, "Jeff Stembel" <Dragonelf1@aol.com>
wrote:
> Yeah, but just think, with a Pikachu Lego Piece, you'd have a new "Evil
> Monster for Knights to Slay(TM)". :) Although, I think I'd save that spot for
> Jigglypuff. On the upside, I'd have a Jesse Minifig(1). ;)
Oh, I dunno. I'll take a few 100-300-normal-brick pokemon sets (though
pikachu wouldn't be first in line, despite his usefulness in the game
itself).
Jasper
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In lugnet.general, Aaron West writes:
<SNIP>
> If I ever see a Pokemon LEGO, I WILL throw up. Power rangers!?!?!
<SNIP>
Aaron, get out the bucket, then look at this auction on eBay :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220964093
heh heh heh
Paul Sinasohn
member 115
bearitone@my-deja.com
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In lugnet.general, Paul Sinasohn writes:
> In lugnet.general, Aaron West writes:
> <SNIP>
>
> > If I ever see a Pokemon LEGO, I WILL throw up. Power rangers!?!?!
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Aaron, get out the bucket, then look at this auction on eBay :-)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220964093
>
> heh heh heh
LOL!! Now *that* is funny!!
Jeff
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On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:52:37 GMT, "Paul Sinasohn"
<bearitone@my-deja.com> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220964093
Heh. I just wonder if this counts - I mean, it's a regular set with
_completely_ gratuitous figs thrown in.
Ignoring for the moment the absence of "Lego" and the conspicuous
presence of "TOMY".
Jasper
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In lugnet.general, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> To attract a bigger share of the market, look at the popular figures and toys • and
> either liscence them (pokemon lego???) or make something similar. e.g. power
> rangers were (or are) proplar so make something similar.
POKEMON LEGO!!!??????
*runs to bathroom, comes back wiping mouth* urrgghh....just the thought made
me barf.....I don't think TLC would want to do Pokemon.....It's just a fad and
will probably end up like POG (hopefully).....*shudder* just the thought of
the annoying little yellow thing makes me wanna.....*runs back to bathroom*
Erin
--
In a recent poll, 54% of minifigs thought changing sex by switching
hair pieces was cool.
> --
> Jonathan Wilson
> wilsonj@xoommail.com
> http://members.xoom.com/wilsonj/
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In lugnet.general, Erin Windross writes:
> In lugnet.general, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> > To attract a bigger share of the market, look at the popular figures and toys • and
> > either liscence them (pokemon lego???) or make something similar. e.g. power
> > rangers were (or are) proplar so make something similar.
>
> POKEMON LEGO!!!??????
> *runs to bathroom, comes back wiping mouth* urrgghh....just the thought made
> me barf.....I don't think TLC would want to do Pokemon.....It's just a fad and
> will probably end up like POG (hopefully).....*shudder* just the thought of
> the annoying little yellow thing makes me wanna.....*runs back to bathroom*
>
> Erin
> --
> In a recent poll, 54% of minifigs thought changing sex by switching
> hair pieces was cool.
Wow. You think it is such a bad idea you had to let us know twice? You must
really hate the idea, then. ;)
Jeff
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In lugnet.general, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> To attract a bigger share of the market, look at the popular figures and toys • and
> either liscence them (pokemon lego???) or make something similar. e.g. power
> rangers were (or are) proplar so make something similar.
POKEMON LEGO!!!??????
*runs to bathroom, comes back wiping mouth* urrgghh....just the thought made
me barf.....I don't think TLC would want to do Pokemon.....It's just a fad and
will probably end up like POG (hopefully).....*shudder* just the thought of
the annoying little yellow thing makes me wanna.....*runs back to bathroom*
Erin
--
In a recent poll, 54% of minifigs thought changing sex by switching
hair pieces was cool.
> --
> Jonathan Wilson
> wilsonj@xoommail.com
> http://members.xoom.com/wilsonj/
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