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    A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Steven Coallier
   I see a lot of mecha posted here which are nicely rendered with MCad and other packages. They look absolutely fantastic - but am I the only one that it bothers that many of these designs couldn't possibly exist and stay together, stand on their own, (...) (24 years ago, 3-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
   
        Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Patrick Justison
     Both of my two mechs stay together, and function as you would think. This is largely due to the fact that they were both built initially and then drawn. (URL) J (...) their (...) (24 years ago, 3-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
    
         Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Nick Crocco
      (...) other (...) All of my mech are built first... So I guess they can stand up and stuff. ~Nick (URL) (24 years ago, 3-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Steven Coallier
      (...) digital pictures of them...standing...so it's obvious they're capable of vertical attitude. The ones I'm talking about are the ones that _aren't_ built first. It doesn't _really_ bother me anyway - like I said, many of them are still (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Nick Crocco
       (...) built (...) Ohh... I tought that you meant that... nevermind. If you look at my "Perdition" model, the Ldrawing of it looks like it wouldn't stand up if it's life depended on it, and it stand just fine IRL. Thanks, glad you like 'em! ~Nick (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Karim Nassar
       (...) built (...) Steve, You may be referring to some of my models... which are all rendered images... I have built physically enough of each of the models (some are 100% physically built) that I post on Pallas Spaceworks to make sure that they work (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
      
           Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
        How soon? What does it look like? How big is it? Man, I have this awesome arm and gun built but don't have a clue how to use them! Maybe your new model will give me some inspiration! (...) real, (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Karim Nassar
        (...) As soon as I can get some spare time to set up the renders and compile them. It was designed in response to someone's (maybe yours??) request for more medium-sized mecha at Pallas Spaceworks... It is about the same height as the Mustang (UMA (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
        Yeah, I asked you to make more smaller mecha. While were're on the subject of mecha: a) I have just completed 80% of my new Rapid Response Mecha that is about twice the size of my current mecha, it's going to have a white and red paint scheme, b) (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Karim Nassar
        (...) Sounds cool... Yes you are right about the difficulty of building smaller mecha... with larger mecha, you know in the back of your mind that you can always get a *little* bit larger... and technic joints get easier to build the bigger they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
         Can you send me the .dat file of the mecha, it's okay if you can't or don't want to? I just wanna have a sneak peek! BTW The pilot of my new mecha can actually pop his head up underneath the mecha's head, ala _Patlabor_! (...) about (...) a (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
        (...) can (...) Yes, indeed. Colin Gutierrez' Nodatchi mecha has such a good design for small mecha w/pilot... I use variations on that. Anyone have a different good design for small mecha cockpits? Technic joints get easier as they grow larger, but (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Karim Nassar
        (...) the (...) I haven't settled on one yet... I'm still trying to get it right. But I am happier with the Panther cockpit than with the previous mecha I've designed... It's still pretty boxy from the outside, but what I like about it is that the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
      
           Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Skyler Munro
       Actually I have built the "Ryu" mech from the LCad instructions on Karim's site, it is about 95% complete and will stand on it's own (with some careful balancing) as long as the booster "backpack" is not attached.I have made some changes to the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
      
           Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Karim Nassar
       (...) Ahem... Yes, well, I can see that that might be a problem... I did actually build about 60% of that "booster pack", and it stands up just fine... but It kinda grew a little bit due to aesthetic considerations during the LCADing process... (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
      
           Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Skyler Munro
       Perhaps one day I will take pictures of it and post them somewhere or create an updated DAT file,which may be better since there is a lot of black pieces (and we all know how well black shows up in pictures). Later -Skyler (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Bryan Hodges
      I agree with you Steve. I like most of the mechs I've seen, but I like them much better if the pictures are real and not just computer generated renderings. I realize that creating a cad version of a lego model often takes as much or more effort (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
      (...) takes (...) models (...) I have to agree here. Seeing a photo of an awesome model is always more impressive IMO than seeing an LCAD drawing, especially since LCAD lets you "cheat" and make certain parts in colors (or transparent) that weren't (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Karim Nassar
      (...) Mea Culpa. I guess I look at things a little differently (though I see your points). The Designer in me is always interested in pushing the boundaries of what I can do with the fundamental constraints of the Lego Modular Geometry. In my mind, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
       I second that emotion Karim. Before I knew how to use LDRAW, MLCAD, L3P, and POV-Ray I thought the same as you Mark and Bryan, but once I learned how to use them it opened up a whole new way to enjoy my hobby, not only would my models have the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
      
           Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
        (...) MLCAD, L3P, and (...) how to use (...) my models (...) present (...) much of a (...) Why should I sit in front of the computer when I could be in the other room building stuff? I already spend 8 hours every day in front of the computer (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
         (...) As you build more and more models in MLCAD, or LDRAW you become faster and faster at building them. I used to spend days, building my models in MLCAD, now I can do it in a couple of hours. (...) So you think I don't do that? I build all my (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
        
             Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
         (...) except (...) twice (...) Not really. The creative effort that goes into the model is over once you finish building it IRL. After that, you're merely copying your already-built model. I'd rather spend that time building something else IRL. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
        
             Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
          I'm kinda sorry Mark, got to carried away. To tell you the truth I would like to see more people using LEGO CAD programs, because then I could actually see how peoples models are built, and learn something from it. I too, really don't mind real (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
         
              Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
          Hey no problem.. I just don't want us to argue over something that is clearly a simple matter of opinion. It's easy to have misunderstandings in newsgroups. ~M (...) actually see (...) don't (...) model. Sorry (...) you, (...) put (...) like (...) (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
        
             Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Nick Crocco
         (...) I agree that models that have pictures taken of them are more-jaw-dropping than a model just made with Ldraw (I just use a regular camera and develop the pictures and get a Photo CD, which gets very expensive).However, I feel that someone who (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Bram Lambrecht
         (...) So other people can see how you put something together, not just how the finished product looks. Also, LCAD models can be rendered from any view with any background and always completely in focus. Photographing models requires good lighting, a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
        
             Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Bryan Hodges
         In lugnet.build.mecha, Bram Lambrecht writes: [snipped] (...) Using CAD to rebuild a disassembled model is an excellent use for it, in fact that's what I use it for. As far as sharing the designs, I agree with that too... however IMO pics of real (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Real bricks vs. Virtual bricks (Was Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Paul Baulch
         Mark Sandlin wrote in message ... (...) I agree with Mark here. I work on the computer all day too, and I'm also fortunate enough to have access to full-blown 3D modelling software. I dabbled in MLCad and LDraw for a while, and I have to say that I (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: Real bricks vs. Virtual bricks (Was Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Andrew Todd Amacher
        (...) difficulties of photographing creations with a digital camera, such the lack of detail, especially with black pieces. I've found detail can be improved by slightly decreasing the contrast and slightly increasing the brightness with a photo (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
       
            Re: Real bricks vs. Virtual bricks (Was Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
        (...) the (...) lack (...) by (...) with a (...) built-in (...) most of (...) with an older Sony Mavica with a limited depth range. I just got a Nikon 950, so now my pics will be good. ~Mark (24 years ago, 7-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
      
           Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Bryan Hodges
       It's not an issue of incompetence... I know how to use LDRAW, and I often use LEOCAD to design things that I don't have the pieces for... but I still prefer "true" building to CAD modeling. The way I figure it, if I wanted to use computer modeling (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mark Sandlin
       (...) see more (...) I doubt that. You have no idea the power of the marketing department. They're the ones who generally have the boss's ear. I think you'll find that, no matter which corporation you work for, the people who make the decisions are (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Kyle Keppler
       (...) hoping... (...) A pallas spaceworks model in my hands AAAAHHHhhh...hhh!!! I am feeling faint--- THUD! ouch -Kyle (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
     
          Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Rob Drechsel
      (...) Yes !!!...!!! Rob (24 years ago, 6-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
    
         Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Steven Coallier
     (...) Yes, I could tell the quadraped one would. The other one looks pretty solid too. Nice work, by the way! I've seen others, though, that pretty much could not have been built first, at least not standing up... .Steve "Attack life, it's going to (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
   
        Re: A Question for all you CAD Mech builders... —Mladen Pejic
   I build all my models IRL, and they all can at least stand up! (...) their (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jun-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
 

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