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Re: Group Charters (was:Re: Fabuland Auction Update 4)
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Wed, 3 May 2000 00:29:25 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Peter Callaway writes:
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> Do you see a possibility for the members of the various groups to take on
> "ownership" of the Terms and Conditions for their groups, and subsequently
> monitoring (and, dare I say it, policing) them? For example, say that we in
> the .loc.au group didn't actually mind Mark posting his Fabuland auction
> information in this group (with an appropriate x-post to .market), can we
> petition for the T&C's to be altered to allow this?
.org-based groups (e.g., lugnet.org.us.nelug, lugnet.org.ca.vlc, etc.): yes
with respect to market and related things (but obviously no with respect to
issues of strict legalities, etc.); .loc-based and other groups: no.
> I bring this up as I generally don't monitor the .market group since most of
> the sales are US or European based. But a sale/auction in Australia would
> interest me greatly, and what better place to advertise a sale/auction in
> Australia than in the .loc.au group?
Well, if you have an Aus user group and would like a lugnet.org.au group/list
for that, or a subgroup lugnet.org.au.legoz (or whatever name you've chosen),
and everyone can generally agree that auctions are OK there, then that's OK.
The difference between the .loc hierarchy and the .org hierarchy is that
.loc is reserved for non-special, non-official-group discourse, whereas
.org is reserved for special, official-group discourse dedicated specifically
to organized groups of people who've come together for a purpose.
> There could also be other sections of the
> T&C's that we may like to enhance/modify/remove, I'm just using the auction
> one as an example as it is the most frequently "abused".
Possibly, I can't imagine too many others...certainly not things for example
about not posting anonymously or not posting things which infringe on the
rights of others legally -- those are core tenets.
One thing an .org.* group might want to do is perhaps restrict who can and
cannot post there -- to limit posting to members of your organization only.
> I don't want you to think that we are trying to take away ultimate control
> of Lugnet from you, but a bit of flexibility in the .loc groups I feel
> would be appropriate, as they are designed specifically for "us".
That's close, but not quite exactly. The .loc groups are actually designed
specifically for _localities_ around the world and for anyone who wants to
talk about things relating to those localities -- not just the inhabitants of
the localities covered. Thus, although people might be aggregating in .loc.au
or .loc.uk or .loc.us, those groups are still totally open for anyone to read
and post to.
> In .loc.au we get the
> odd international visitor, but I see them as "a visitor" to our "country"
> (and welcome ones at that, don't get me wrong). The other groups are a
> different story as they are not physical location-specific, although there
> may be room for some adaptation if everyone within the group was in accord.
I think this is something definable for groups established to serve specific
clubs or organizations which have a defined membership (i.e., groups under
lugnet.org.*). Groups under lugnet.loc.*, however, aren't established to
serve any specific group of people beyond the obvious association by nation
or state.
> Just some thoughts I think are worthy of a discussion.
Me too -- thanks for sharing.
--Todd
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| (...) Todd, I've been musing over this for a while, and this latest incident is a perfect opportunity to raise it with you, and the Lugnet community. Whilst no-one is arguing that Mark has and continues to breach the Lugnet Terms and Conditions, I (...) (24 years ago, 2-May-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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