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Group Charters (was:Re: Fabuland Auction Update 4)
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Tue, 2 May 2000 23:32:15 GMT
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In lugnet.loc.au, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, Mark Harrison writes:
> > As promised here is the latest status of my lastest auction, Fabuland.
> > The only thing that I should mention here is that all bids are in US
> > dollars.
> > [...auction update/spam snipped...]
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> Mark,
> When you signed up, one of the things you agreed to is that you would not
> post auction announcements/updates/flogs/spam in groups which do not
> explicitly welcome auctions in their charters. As you are well aware, only
> lugnet.market.auction currently welcomes auctions here. Discussion groups
> are for discussions and not for auction spam.
>
> I'm sorry that you disagree with the principle of market/non-market separation
> and that you feel that such separation is for "compartmentalized dorks" but it
> is important that you realize that just because you disagree with something
> doesn't make it morally right for you to breach an agreement you have made.
>
> Since your continued use of the groups is contingent upon your keeping your
> word (i.e., abiding by LUGNET's Terms of Use Agreement), and since you've
> made it conspicuous not only that you do not choose to respect the agreement
> you've made but that you choose to actively disrespect it, you leave neither
> room for sympathy nor options at this point besides turning off your posting
> privileges (to non-market and non-admin groups).
Todd,
I've been musing over this for a while, and this latest incident is a perfect
opportunity to raise it with you, and the Lugnet community.
Whilst no-one is arguing that Mark has and continues to breach the Lugnet
Terms and Conditions, I was wondering if there could be a case here for
interpretation of the various group charters. I'm talking particularly for the
different .loc groups.
Do you see a possibility for the members of the various groups to take on
"ownership" of the Terms and Conditions for their groups, and subsequently
monitoring (and, dare I say it, policing) them? For example, say that we in
the .loc.au group didn't actually mind Mark posting his Fabuland auction
information in this group (with an appropriate x-post to .market), can we
petition for the T&C's to be altered to allow this?
I bring this up as I generally don't monitor the .market group since most of
the sales are US or European based. But a sale/auction in Australia would
interest me greatly, and what better place to advertise a sale/auction in
Australia than in the .loc.au group? There could also be other sections of the
T&C's that we may like to enhance/modify/remove, I'm just using the auction
one as an example as it is the most frequently "abused".
I don't want you to think that we are trying to take away ultimate control of
Lugnet from you, but a bit of flexibility in the .loc groups I feel would be
appropriate, as they are designed specifically for "us". In .loc.au we get the
odd international visitor, but I see them as "a visitor" to our "country" (and
welcome ones at that, don't get me wrong). The other groups are a different
story as they are not physical location-specific, although there may be room
for some adaptation if everyone within the group was in accord.
Just some thoughts I think are worthy of a discussion.
Pete Callaway
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