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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at all
amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else to keep
my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you publicized
it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a different
story.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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It is reminiscent of the fellow a few years back made Lego concentration camp
sets (created his own box artwork). TLG was appalled! Here in the USA we see
so many Nazi war movies, we sometimes become jaded to the horrors of the past.
But in Europe, they lived thru that nightmare. It is illegal to buy and sell
Nazi war memorabilia in Germany and other parts of Europe. Hence so much of it
has gone overseas.
By the way, the reverse swastika is actually an ancient Roman design. I visited
a Roman museum in Cologne Germany, and they had unearthed a Roman mosaic with
the reverse Swastika design.
I also find some Bible Lego diarama’s to be in somewhat poor taste as well. I
am just expecting one day to find a Sodom and Gomorrah Legoscape with minifigs
(NOT!).
Gary Istot
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In lugnet.space, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and
non-humorous. The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny
either. The description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The
only thing at all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres
nothing else to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing
(especially that you publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL
community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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It is reminiscent of the fellow a few years back made Lego concentration camp
sets (created his own box artwork). TLG was appalled! Here in the USA we
see so many Nazi war movies, we sometimes become jaded to the horrors of the
past. But in Europe, they lived thru that nightmare. It is illegal to buy
and sell Nazi war memorabilia in Germany and other parts of Europe. Hence so
much of it has gone overseas.
By the way, the reverse swastika is actually an ancient Roman design. I
visited a Roman museum in Cologne Germany, and they had unearthed a Roman
mosaic with the reverse Swastika design.
I also find some Bible Lego diarama’s to be in somewhat poor taste as well.
I am just expecting one day to find a Sodom and Gomorrah Legoscape with
minifigs (NOT!).
Gary Istot
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Actually, I believe that both the forward and reverse swastika (I have heard the
reverse called a sylvastika) are both ancient symbols originating in india. The
symbol is found in both ancient Indian budhist and hindu artefacts, and is the
shape (from the air) of some types of temple.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Dan Rubin
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Agreed 100%.
I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL’s, but also on LEGO as the
company whose child-themed toys you’ve used to spread a very adult message of
hatred. This is sad.
Peace and Long Life,
Tony Alexander
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In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and
non-humorous. The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny
either. The description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The
only thing at all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres
nothing else to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing
(especially that you publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL
community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Agreed 100%.
I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL’s, but also on LEGO as
the company whose child-themed toys you’ve used to spread a very adult
message of hatred. This is sad.
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It’s even more sad that crap like this was highlighted. Four times...
Where’s the delete button when you need it?
-- Nathan Wells
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In lugnet.space, Nathan Wells wrote:
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Where’s the delete button when you need it?
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Comments like this highlight the importance of LUGNET.
Delete it? You can’t even lock the thread! Isn’t free speech annoying?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Isn’t free speech annoying?
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Definitely, when the speaker is irresponsible and uncivil. Freedom doesn’t mean
one can do whatever the heck one wants. The concept of Freedom must be tempered
with responsibility and respect.
JOHN
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In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
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I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL’s, but also on LEGO as
the company whose child-themed toys you’ve used to spread a very adult
message of hatred. This is sad.
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An adult message of hatred?
Do you think that perhaps turning the symbol on its side, putting a cockpit in
the middle and a bubble dome on top, then suggesting that the leader of some
faction my fly himself around in it, might actually be something other than
spreading a message of hatred?
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Tony Alexander wrote:
> > I see little to no play value or humor here. This is in EXTREMELY poor
> > taste, and sheds a bad light not just on us as AFOL's, but also on LEGO as
> > the company whose child-themed toys you've used to spread a very adult
> > message of hatred. This is sad.
>
> An adult message of hatred?
>
> Do you think that perhaps turning the symbol on its side, putting a cockpit
> in the middle and a bubble dome on top, then suggesting that the leader of
> some faction my fly himself around in it, might actually be something {other}
> than spreading a message of hatred?
>
> Cheers
>
> Richie Dulin
Ummmmm....no. No, I don't. I think that this glorifies what has become a
symbol of hatred in a way that you possibly didn't realize.
Did you mean it in another way? Because if you did, I'm not getting the
joke. I'm willing to admit that, if indeed this is a joke, that I didn't get
it. I saw the swastika, and the little Hitler made out of a friendly little
LEGO minifig, and your talk of bowing before the Reich and the Fuehrer in the
description...and I don't get the humor at all.
To me, this hits too close to the reality of a hateful, hurtful time that
my grandfather refused to talk about. Whether you've meant to or not, many who
see this will see this hurtful message, not the joke you may have meant to
explore.
Putting aside the philosophy for a moment, and looking at this as a
creative MOC, again, I'm not impressed. I don't mean this in a bad way, because
I've seen works of yours that I enjoyed. But this just isn't very cool - my
opinion only, coming from a guy who's never really had a stellar MOC himself. I
think you could have done better, that's all.
Dressing it in hurtful symbology to make some kind of joke doesn't help,
either.
Though you're free to make a parody or statement, either way, I think
you've missed the mark, and this will inflame many who don't understand what you
may be trying to do. I don't want you silenced, and I don't want this post
deleted - I support the right to speak freely, whether I agree with what is
spoken or not. But I do want to point out how I, and many others, will feel
about this MOC - it seems to me to spread a message of hatred.
Just my 2 strips of gold-plated Legonium.
Peace and Long Life,
Tony Alexander
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Wow.
Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live in
glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Wow.
Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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The current discussion centers around a symbol of hate & the darkest chapter of
modern history. A state-sanctioned doctrine of extermination cannot be compared
to a failed economic system. This is orders of magnitude worse.
-nk
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In lugnet.space, Nick Kappatos wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Wow.
Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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The current discussion centers around a symbol of hate & the darkest chapter
of modern history. A state-sanctioned doctrine of extermination cannot be
compared to a failed economic system. This is orders of magnitude worse.
-nk
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Try telling that to the kulaks.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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Thanks for the thoughtful critique yet again, Marc. The Eastern Block is an
ironic look at the future of communism (similiar to Keith Goldman’s Iron Reich,
an ironic look at futuristic fascism - but not condoning it). And while the
Soviet Union has its murderous past, so does Great Britain, France, the United
States and any other regime you can think up. And the Eastern Block isn’t based
solely on the Soviet Union, but on a broad concept of a future of communist
society that stands at odds with quasi-American PCS. The whole point is to
create friendly banter.
Still, my initial critique stands: Richie’s MOC is unimpressive and unfunny, for
shock value alone. My MOCs never relied on shock value, and always attempted to
be good creations regardless of theme.
Why don’t you chill out, Mr.Nelson? You’re making what is a thoughtful critique
into a match of name-calling. I’m not throwing stones, I’m giving my opinion.
-Lenny
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Is this the same guy who was built a
entire subtheme
based on another notoriously murderous totalitarian regime? People who live
in glass gulags shouldn’t throw stones.
Chill out, Junior Marshal.
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Thanks for the thoughtful critique yet again, Marc. The Eastern Block is an
ironic look at the future of communism (similiar to Keith Goldman’s Iron
Reich, an ironic look at futuristic fascism - but not condoning it). And
while the Soviet Union has its murderous past, so does Great Britain, France,
the United States and any other regime you can think up. And the Eastern
Block isn’t based solely on the Soviet Union, but on a broad concept of a
future of communist society that stands at odds with quasi-American PCS. The
whole point is to create friendly banter.
Still, my initial critique stands: Richie’s MOC is unimpressive and unfunny,
for shock value alone. My MOCs never relied on shock value, and always
attempted to be good creations regardless of theme.
Why don’t you chill out, Mr.Nelson? You’re making what is a thoughtful
critique into a match of name-calling. I’m not throwing stones, I’m giving
my opinion.
-Lenny
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I find Lenny’s EB works to be inspired, creative, and usually filled with a bit
of tounge-in-cheak. EB was also created by
Chris Giddens, not Lenny, though he rocks
as an EB builder. EB is part of a bigger universe too with the PCS, 3vil, Jade
Empire and others. Hey you can even check
it out here on Lugnet. You know we spacers
stick together, and well over a dozen different people have built EB MOCs, not
to mention all those that have tried there hands at the other sub-themes. There
is even a comic book with the EB in
it.
Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and creativity
than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in more different
genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring... Um, Richie’s moc,
yeah, not so much...
Lenny’s comments were to the point and as far as I’m concerned on target, and in
my opinion MNJ is just trying to be flame bait by trying to add his own shock
value.
-Jason
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Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and creativity
than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in more different
genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring... Um, Richie’s moc,
yeah, not so much...
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder, but
should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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In lugnet.space, Samuel Morrison wrote:
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Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and
creativity than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in
more different genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring...
Um, Richie’s moc, yeah, not so much...
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder,
but should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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Um, the EB has never killed anyone, I’m pretty sure it’s make believe... The
death toll in WW2 was in the 10’s of millions, Hilter was a bad guy, and so were
the symbols of his reign...
I’m sorry you can’t seperate reality from make believe, you might want to seek
help for that...
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In lugnet.space, Jason Whittenburg wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Samuel Morrison wrote:
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Lenny’s MOCs are well designed showing a higher level of skill and
creativity than we see most often. Lenny also builds more good MOCs, in
more different genres than anyone else I know. His MOCs are inspiring...
Um, Richie’s moc, yeah, not so much...
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder,
but should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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Um, the EB has never killed anyone, I’m pretty sure it’s make believe... The
death toll in WW2 was in the 10’s of millions, Hilter was a bad guy, and so
were the symbols of his reign...
I’m sorry you can’t seperate reality from make believe, you might want to
seek help for that...
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Neither did the “space Nazis”. They are both fictional, and both based on
murderous regimes. How’s a hammer and sickle any different from a swastika?
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So, it’s ok to post MOCs about murderous regimes if you are a good builder,
but should refain if the MOC is less than inspiring?
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Well, not to be blunt about it but yes, that is exactly what they are saying.
You ever listen to Robin Williams go on about childbirth? (or anyother topic
really) But Childbirth isn’t really a funny topic. And most people wouldn’t
consider it a lighthearted topic. So why is the audience in stitches? Because
Robin Williams is a very good comedian. He understands the nuances of the
subject matter and knows how to manipulate an audience. He pulls the act off
brilliantly. Ever hear other comdeians go on about childbirth? It usually isn’t
funny. Such it is with some builders.
Now the topic of Hitler flying a Schwatstica shaped spaceship would require a
mastery of brick based storytelling before banyoneb should be attempting it.
If you do not understand why, then a class in empathy and history might be in
order. Better yet, check out the ending sequence of Mel Brooks “History of the
World Pt.I” That might give a clue of how to be funny with Hitler.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest.
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Lenny, I must agree I don’t find anything particularly inspiring about the MOC,
but..
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Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
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..publicised so much? So 2 forums is too much publicity now? And is posting a
MOC here bad press now? It received at least 2 non-negative responses and 6
spotlights (more than many MOCs here), are they contributing to the “bad press”?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
-Lenny
(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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This post, however, is pure comedy gold.
Spotlighted.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
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The Space Nazis™ are here!
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I don’t think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
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I’m sorry you find it uninspired and non-humorous. Actually, it was inspired by
a post you made back in April last year,
which used the term Space-nazi(1). While it would have been good to be able to
post a MOC like this immediately with a comment “like this?”, I was moving house
at the time. So it took a while longer.
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The Adolf Hitler fig isn’t very striking, nor is he funny either. The
description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
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Gosh. I guess not too many MOCs are posted about on more than one site.
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Actually, you’ve got the timing wrong on this one. I posted about this MOC on
LUGNET first, and later posted a similar announcement on JLUG.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
(1) Although my subsequent research indicates you weren’t the first to use it.
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
> In lugnet.space, Richie Dulin wrote:
> > The [Space Nazis™] are here!
>
> I don't think this is funny. The ship design is uninspired and non-humorous.
> The Adolf Hitler fig isn't very striking, nor is he funny either. The
> description of your MOC is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at
> all amusing is the shock factor, but once it wears off, theres nothing else
> to keep my interest. Plus, I think this sort of thing (especially that you
> publicized it soo much(1)) is bad press for the AFOL community at large.
>
> -Lenny
>
> (1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
> different story.
Lenny, you are completly right! There is definitely no fun in Nazis. To many
people have suffered and died under their reign. Those victims in mind I only
can feel sorry for those who have forgotten or just don't care!
Marco
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Now that statement is actually quite interesting, not for the JLUG reference,
but for the “et al”. Would you be able to clarify what exactly you mean by “et
al” in this case?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Now that statement is actually quite interesting, not for the JLUG reference,
but for the “et al”. Would you be able to clarify what exactly you mean by
“et al” in this case?
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There are sites designed to be adults only (JLUG) and sites designed to be
adults and kids. “et al” refers to any site that is trying to be kid-friendly.
One of the good parts about JLUG is that creations that would be inappropriate
to children can be posted there.
-Lenny
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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(1) = What happens on JLUG can stay on JLUG - but Lugnet, et al. is a
different story.
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Now that statement is actually quite interesting, not for the JLUG
reference, but for the “et al”. Would you be able to clarify what exactly
you mean by “et al” in this case?
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There are sites designed to be adults only (JLUG) and sites designed to be
adults and kids. “et al” refers to any site that is trying to be
kid-friendly. One of the good parts about JLUG is that creations that would
be inappropriate to children can be posted there.
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Lenny please don’t attempt to make JLUG something it is not. From the user
agreement: “This forum is for discussing any facet of creating with bricks but
is intended for a mature audience.”
It is not and never was designed to be “adults only”, or we would have included
such a restriction in the user agreement. We have no problem with kids
registering there, any such restriction should be on the part of their parent or
guardian. Note that “child” does not equate to “immature”, just as “adult” does
not equate to “mature”.
Note that Lugnet also has a warning:
“LUGNET and its owners and/or operators do not control or censor content in
discussion groups. ... you may encounter material which you find offensive. IT
IS YOUR SOLE AND INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR OR FILTER CONTENT TO A
LEVEL APPROPRIATE TO YOURSELF AND/OR YOUR FAMILY.”
So in that regard I think it has more in common with JLUG than a moderated forum
like, for example, CSF.
(FUT: .publish cos I couldn’t think of anywhere else that fitted)
ROSCO
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