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To All,
MichLUG had a great meeting here on March 2nd, 2002, in our newly appointed
meeting place, at a Retreat Center that his church has. It was a crowded
meeting, with lots of new faces and a few surprises!
Here are the lists of attendants:
Tony Hedglen
Jason Spears
Larry Pieniazek
Nikolai Pieniazek
Steven Weiser
Scott Sanburn
Alfred Speredelozzi
Steven Ringe
Jake Ringe
Erik Zempel
Lester Witter
Peter Guenther
Chris Leach
Sandy Leach
Ian Leach
Kira Leach
Kai Brodersen
We had some new members come for the first time, Alfred S., Steve Weiser,
and Erik Zempel, thanks for coming guys, it was an absolute pleasure meeting
you, and a big welcome to the club! : )
Creations / Stuff Brought:
Our meeting started at 12:00PM, and I was only 15 minutes late or so, that
is good for me. Peter Guenther brought two different towers, an evil wizard
tower, and the start of a Forestmen’s stronghold, which, when completed,
will have two trees on each side for the connecting part, and it will be cool.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132520
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132523
Jason Spears brought the Blacksmith’s Shop, along with 2 awesome ships,
which he will reveal later.
I brought along a piece of my module section of the train station, in which
most of my layout will be raised in a 3 brick high manor. You can see pics
of it here: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=12582
I also brought my creation to hold my various listening devices, but it
still needs work. I also brought some samples of parts we run at my job, and
I happen to draw. I also brought along the usual gaggle of keychains and
membership certificates. I also brought along the show bricks so the kids
can play around a little.
Here is a pic of the module I brought:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132518
Here is a good pic showing most of our meeting: Talking, looking, eating, etc.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132516
Chris Leach brought a LEGO collection he got form someone his dad knew, for
free. He let us look through it and some folks good some good stuff! Thanks
again Chris. : )
Here it is in the box:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132524
Here it is poured out:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132525
It seems everyone brought a Super Chief, and we had a total of 6, and we ran
it along the track, it was neat to see. Steve Ringe brought the tables we
had previously built. They worked great when they were put together, and we
can’t wait to start using that design. Here are some pics:
Chris Leach looking happy running trains:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132539
Larry P. instructing how things should be done:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132527
Line of Super Chiefs:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132537
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132534
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132535
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132536
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132538
Larry P. brought the Crocodile Engine, a Super Chief, his stock wagon, a
caboose, and some other train cars, I can’t remember them off hand. He also
brought some rather rare sets he sold for a great price, thanks, Larry!
Nikolai P. also brought a great ship built from the Slave 1. Here is a pic:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132519
Alfred S. also brought along a Super Chief.
Kai Brodersen brought an awesome 8 wide train engine, I am unsure the model
or train company.:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132521
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132522
Here are some pics of the kids and there play area:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132517
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132533
Meeting Agenda / Votes / Discussions:
We had a productive meeting, with a lot of discussion along various issues:
1) Tables – We voted to make Steve R. table design our club standard –
Might be changed, but this is a start. Around $30.00 for a 30x60 and a 30x30
is a good deal, folks.
2) GATS & Brickfest – Not sure when Brickfest is, but it looks like some
people might do GATS, some might do Brickfest, and some might do both. So if
we have enough interest, we will do both. We also voted that we would ask
for an appearance fee from GATS for future events, as the last one was
rather disappointing. We will have a poll on Yahoo to see interest.
3) Had some general discussions in regards to other affairs, will post later
on Yahoo.
After the meeting, we decided to go to a Sports Bar thing in downtown DeWitt
and had a great time outside of some peppers, a mixed up Calzone, and an
overwhelmed waitstaff. Also, NEVER play Foosball (SP?) with Larry or
Nikolai, evil, evil, evil!!!!!!
Here is a funny picture, Peter Guenther pondering if 2 wenches are enough! : )
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132542
All in all, it was a great meeting, and a lot of stuff was discussed, and it
went really well. Our new meeting place is great, it is closer to me, so
that’s always nice.
See you next time!
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Amy & All,
> > Here are the lists of attendants:
>
> Plural? Okay, maybe I'll be on the next list :-)
Heh, oops, looks like I went through the grammar list too fast. Just goes to
show you that, unlike some of MichLUG's members, I do make misteaks! (1)
Scott S.
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(1) Right, Big Dog? WOOF!
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott E. Sanburn writes:
> Amy & All,
>
> > > Here are the lists of attendants:
> >
> > Plural? Okay, maybe I'll be on the next list :-)
>
> Heh, oops, looks like I went through the grammar list too fast. Just goes to
> show you that, unlike some of MichLUG's members, I do make misteaks! (1)
>
> Scott S.
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> (1) Right, Big Dog? WOOF!
Right.
PS, Kid #3 in Ken's pics is Nik :-)
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132370
Re Foosball(tm)... IIRC, There was a lot of trash talk prior to Nik's
arrival at the table but after he blew two adults off the table 3 games in a
row (with just a leeeetle help from yours truly) no one wanted to play us
any more...
Ringe drubbed some other little kids instead of daring to face us.
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> Re Foosball(tm)... IIRC, There was a lot of trash talk prior to Nik's
> arrival at the table but after he blew two adults off the table 3 games in a
> row (with just a leeeetle help from yours truly) no one wanted to play us
> any more...
>
> Ringe drubbed some other little kids instead of daring to face us.
Speaking of drubbing little kids, Lar, next time you're in the east end of
the state you can stop by my school... I'd like to see the looks of kids
here who THINK they're good when they go up against you.
*Donning asbestos suit to read the next set of posts*
Peter
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Peter Guenther writes:
> Speaking of drubbing little kids, Lar, next time you're in the east end of
> the state you can stop by my school... I'd like to see the looks of kids
> here who THINK they're good when they go up against you.
Good I am, but not that good. Those high school types are where I learn some
of my best shots.
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Amy Hughes writes:
> May I suggest that MichLUG find a language snob to do proofreading?
AFAIAC you certainly may... :-) Were you planning on doing so? :-) If so, go
ahead. :-)
> It'd be awkward to offer my services, so may
> I volunteer Larry? :-)
No, you mayn't. :-) I tilt at too many windmills as it is. But thanks for
thinking of me, just the same. :-)
> Scott's meeting/show summaries are an informal tradition,
I kind of like the manifold ways he has of managing to mangle matters,
mayhap he should continue? :-)
> but things we put on
> our website or hand out at shows need more thorough editing, IMO.
All kidding aside (and it's *all* kidding up above), you do have a point.
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Larry & All,
> All kidding aside (and it's *all* kidding up above), you do have a point.
Ha ha. While we need some proof-reading on various subjects, such as the
website, this subject could have been dealt in a better manner.
Scott S.
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott E. Sanburn writes:
> Larry & All,
>
>
> > All kidding aside (and it's *all* kidding up above), you do have a point.
>
> Ha ha. While we need some proof-reading on various subjects, such as the
> website, this subject could have been dealt in a better manner.
Mebbe. But personally I enjoy your wrapups immensely and wouldn't change a
thing about them as posted here. They may well benefit from a review before
being preserved for posterity, but happily, one could argue that they'd lose
their charm.
Note that being a good writer (facile with words) does not imply being a
good communicator (using them in pleasing and innoffensive ways). I know
this as I have A at all times but not always B. :-)
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Amy & All,
> May I suggest that MichLUG find a language snob to do proofreading? You know,
> someone who writes for a living? Someone who cringes at the use of "setup" as >a verb, at comma splices and at incomplete sentences, like this one and the >last? Failing to find a professional snob, may I at least suggest we run our >written material by a skilled proofreader? It'd be awkward to offer my >services, so may I volunteer Larry? :-)
>
> Scott's meeting/show summaries are an informal tradition, but things we put on
> our website or hand out at shows need more thorough editing, IMO.
Amy, I find this last post insulting, and if you have serious problems with
my writing skills, I suggest you should have contacted me off-line. I would
rather have a few mistakes on various writings and summaries rather subjects
rather than have someone "proofreading" them who takes potshots and insults
other members online.
Larry has gone through most of what I had written in the past, and if he
wants to help me, he is free to do so.
If you have anything further to say on this matter, I would suggest to
e-mail me directly.
It seems rather amusing to me to see you volunteer your services on issues
regarding the website, when the lack of services caused what happened earlier.
Scott S.
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Amy Hughes writes:
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott E. Sanburn writes:
> > > Scott's meeting/show summaries are an informal tradition, but things we put • on
> > > our website or hand out at shows need more thorough editing, IMO.
> >
> > Amy, I find this last post insulting,
>
> Sorry, it was not meant to be. I should add that I find your summaries very
> useful and entertaining, and as I stated as quoted above, they are an informal
> tradition and I wouldn't suggest they be held to a higher standard than any
> other forum post. My own posts are crafted with no more care than anyone • else's
> and they contain as many errors as anybody's. The website and show fliers,
> however, are our interface to the world. They need careful editing.
>
> > It seems rather amusing to me to see you volunteer your services on issues
> > regarding the website, when the lack of services caused what happened • earlier.
>
> Actually I said it'd be awkward for me to do so and specifically stated that I
> was not offering my services.
>
> Careful editing takes time, particularly when one takes material from others • and
> needs to revise it while maintaining as much of the author's writing as
> possible. I spent more time editing the "about us" info than I would have if I
> had written it myself, and I did that because I wanted to give someone else an
> opportunity to contribute. I made no attempt to hide that I didn't have the • time
> or enthusiasm for doing this, and I'm happy the website is now in the hands of
> someone with more of both.
>
> Writing skills take time to develop, and it shouldn't be insulting that some
> people are better at it than others. Some people get a lot more practice than
> others. Recognizing that not everyone is best suited for *everything* is a bit
> of maturity that I find lacking in the LEGO community, and it's why I'm
> participating less and less in MichLUG. There are too many cooks, and not all • of
> them are doing things they are best suited for, but far be it from me to step • on
> anyone's ego. So I'll bow out now.
>
> Amy
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Steve Ringe writes:
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Amy Hughes writes:
> > In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott E. Sanburn writes:
> > > > Scott's meeting/show summaries are an informal tradition, but things we put
> > > > on our website or hand out at shows need more thorough editing, IMO.
> > >
> > > Amy, I find this last post insulting,
It should be noted, that as the person responsible for the website, I did not
find Amy's previous post to be insulting (nor this one.) I am aware of my
shortcomings, and I welcome MichLUGers pointing out grammatical and spelling
errors on the site.
> >
> > Sorry, it was not meant to be. I should add that I find your summaries very
> > useful and entertaining, and as I stated as quoted above, they are an
> > informal tradition and I wouldn't suggest they be held to a higher standard
> > than any other forum post. My own posts are crafted with no more care than
> > anyone else's and they contain as many errors as anybody's. The website and
> > show fliers, however, are our interface to the world. They need careful
> > editing.
True, I will try to remember to double check everything to the best of my
abilities when updating the site.
> > > It seems rather amusing to me to see you volunteer your services on issues
> > > regarding the website, when the lack of services caused what happened
> > > earlier.
>
>
> > Actually I said it'd be awkward for me to do so and specifically stated that
> > I was not offering my services.
When I read your other post, I misunderstood as well. I understand now.
> >
> > Careful editing takes time, particularly when one takes material from others
> > and needs to revise it while maintaining as much of the author's writing as
> > possible. I spent more time editing the "about us" info than I would have if
> > I had written it myself, and I did that because I wanted to give someone else
> > an opportunity to contribute. I made no attempt to hide that I didn't have
> > the time or enthusiasm for doing this, and I'm happy the website is now in
> > the hands of someone with more of both.
Time and enthusiasm I have. Writing skills are in development.
> >
> > Writing skills take time to develop, and it shouldn't be insulting that some
> > people are better at it than others. Some people get a lot more practice than
> > others. Recognizing that not everyone is best suited for *everything* is a
> > bit of maturity that I find lacking in the LEGO community, and it's why I'm
> > participating less and less in MichLUG. There are too many cooks, and not all
> > of them are doing things they are best suited for, but far be it from me to
> > step on anyone's ego. So I'll bow out now.
Bow out...? Of the conversation or the Club? My hope is not the latter.
> >
> > Amy
-Jason
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Jason Spears
MichLUG - http://www.michlug.org/
Lego Page - http://www.ozbricks.com/brickcentral/
Bricklink Store - http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=jrspears
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Amy Hughes writes:
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott E. Sanburn writes:
> > Here are the lists of attendants:
>
> Plural? Okay, maybe I'll be on the next list :-)
>
> Amy
I think this goes to show, that someone (yes I am volunteering myself) should
take attendence or atleast setup a sign in sheet, so we don't forget anyone. I
know I forgot Lester last time I made a list of people who attended the
Feburary meeting.
Speaking of the Feburary Meeting, two people have mentioned that the March
meeting was Steve Weiser's first meeting, which it wasn't, he was at the Feb.
meeting too. (Just wanted to clear that up.)
-Jason
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Jason Spears
MichLUG - http://www.michlug.org/
Lego Page - http://www.ozbricks.com/brickcentral/
Bricklink Store - http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=jrspears
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> Kai Brodersen brought an awesome 8 wide train engine, I am unsure the model
> or train company.:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132521
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132522
Great work on the GO Train Engine. I'm am unsure about the model number
of the engines, but they are emplowed with the GO Trains as the primary
mover.
I'm not going to ask (Kai) about how he did it, but the engine looks
amazing, and I can't wait to see how he addresses the passenger sections.
I think late last summer (2001), he posted some GO pictures, but the detail
wasn't as precise as possible.....
great job, BTW on it (KAI),
and a good write up of the meeting, Scott...despite the objections from
writing / grammer.
BTW on your FAQ,
"11. I don't live in Michigan, can I still join?
Absolutely, in our current roster we have a member who lives in Indiana and
another who lives in Canada. Again all that is required is that you join in
discussions on LUGNET and show up to meetings once and a while."
The last phrase should read, "show up to meetings once in a while." to
be correct.
I was also thinking about the decrease in the average postings from your
group...and while I was reading your FAQ it hit me....
"10. Why is there a separate Yahoo group?
As we make plans for upcoming shows the various details can go on for quite
a while. This discussions can clutter up the MichLUG forum on LUGNET, so we
do the majority of planning there. Only full members have access to this
group."
If you didn't have this Yahoo group, it would WAY increase your output total.
But, I can see the real reasons why, for show planning (to keep it a secret).
Anyways, Kudos to develop and having a nice web-site. And good luck with
developing the LUG into something even better than it is already.
Benjamin Medinets
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Benjamin & All,
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132521
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=132522
>
> Great work on the GO Train Engine. I'm am unsure about the model number
> of the engines, but they are emplowed with the GO Trains as the primary
> mover.
>
> I'm not going to ask (Kai) about how he did it, but the engine looks
> amazing, and I can't wait to see how he addresses the passenger sections.
> I think late last summer (2001), he posted some GO pictures, but the detail
> wasn't as precise as possible.....
He did a great job on that. Wait to go, Kai! Looks like another 8-wider in
our midst! The horror! ; )
> I was also thinking about the decrease in the average postings from your
> group...and while I was reading your FAQ it hit me....
>
> "10. Why is there a separate Yahoo group?
>
> As we make plans for upcoming shows the various details can go on for quite
> a while. This discussions can clutter up the MichLUG forum on LUGNET, so we
> do the majority of planning there. Only full members have access to this
> group."
>
> If you didn't have this Yahoo group, it would WAY increase your output total.
> But, I can see the real reasons why, for show planning (to keep it a secret).
We have several reasons for this, but seeing a bunch of "Scott, can you
e-mail me?", or "Scott, you forgot my sets again!", or "Scott, you big
blundersnub!" seems silly to have on LUGNET. That, and some other more
serious items are discussed. Trying to keep relevant and interesting
material for LUGNET, the more mundane, serious stuff will stay on Yahoo.
> Anyways, Kudos to develop and having a nice web-site. And good luck with
> developing the LUG into something even better than it is already.
Thanks, but all the Kudos go to Jason Spears and Amy Hughes, they have been
working on the website, I just try to do my part. Thanks for the praise! We
appreciate it!
Scott S.
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