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Just a couple of thoughts.
In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> <breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out>
>
> Wow, wow, wow.
Let me add a little. WOW! WOW! WOW!
> I see the title "Blood Stone Castle"... something sounds familiar... <zot>
> <fog clears>...
> http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/inn.html
>
> Jerk, jerk, jerk! (again, that's me not you!) I saw your castle a looong time
> ago, and I guess on some subconscious level, when I was deciding a name for my
> inn, um, well... Geez, that's annoying. I knew I was gonna go for blood--
> something, but to scrape out the "stone" exactly like yours... man, that's
> weird.
> Maybe I'll change the inn's name... but at least there's still two small
> distinctions: a. you have a space in between the words, I don't and b. your's
> is an amazing castle, mine a measly inn.
It seems to me that just about everybody has a castle named after a rock.
Mine for instance is called Black Roch Keep. Too bad most of us don't have
the pieces to make castle the size of Bloodstone. Mine is on <cough> one of
the 48x48 baseplates. By the way, I thought your inn was pretty good.
Rob
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Oops, typo, that should be Black Rock Keep.
Rob
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In lugnet.castle, Rob Drechsel writes:
> > Wow, wow, wow.
>
> Let me add a little. WOW! WOW! WOW!
I concour, your excellency.
> > I see the title "Blood Stone Castle"... something sounds familiar... <zot>
> > <fog clears>...
> > http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/inn.html • <snip>
> > Maybe I'll change the inn's name... but at least there's still two small
> > distinctions: a. you have a space in between the words, I don't and b. your's
> > is an amazing castle, mine a measly inn.
>
> It seems to me that just about everybody has a castle named after a rock.
> Mine for instance is called Black Roch Keep.
Well... rocks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me ;-)
Rocks/stones/boulders are often part of the setting/terrian around the
building, or alternatively the building is *made* of stone... it's just the
connotation, I guess. Also, we want the buildings to be solid as a rock... ;-)
> Too bad most of us don't have
> the pieces to make castle the size of Bloodstone. Mine is on <cough> one of
> the 48x48 baseplates.
If it's any consalation, my "castle" is on a 48x32 BP and I can't complete it
for lack of pieces.
> By the way, I thought your inn was pretty good.
Thanks! It's just that near such an amazing thing like the Blood Stone Castle,
it shrivels away and transforms to a meek little mouse. :-)
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Rob Drechsel writes:
>
> > Too bad most of us don't have
> > the pieces to make castle the size of Bloodstone. Mine is on <cough> one of
> > the 48x48 baseplates.
>
> If it's any consalation, my "castle" is on a 48x32 BP and I can't complete it
> for lack of pieces.
>
> > By the way, I thought your inn was pretty good.
>
> Thanks! It's just that near such an amazing thing like the Blood Stone Castle,
> it shrivels away and transforms to a meek little mouse. :-)
>
> -Shiri
That's what I'm talkin' about. Sometimes it's downright depressing. I mean,
it's awe inspiring and incredible how huge and intricate some of those "OPOC's"
are, yet at the same time it's kinda dis-heartening.
But, the more I think about it, isn't that exactly why we're all so hooked: the
fact that the acquisition of "more" is so goal oriented; and that building the
biggest and best MOC yet is an ever moving target. In the future they'll be
making an ABS patch (like those nicotene patches) for those of us who file
bankruptcy because we couldn't get enough.
"I'm NOT PLAYING, I'm CREATING!!"
Bill
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In lugnet.castle, Bill Farkas writes:
> That's what I'm talkin' about. Sometimes it's downright depressing. I mean,
> it's awe inspiring and incredible how huge and intricate some of
> those "OPOC's"
> are, yet at the same time it's kinda dis-heartening.
Aw yeah, I know.
(BTW, I see you've been reading my posts carefully... should I update the
acronym list? ;-) (j/k)
> But, the more I think about it, isn't that exactly why we're all so hooked:
> the
> fact that the acquisition of "more" is so goal oriented; and that building the
> biggest and best MOC yet is an ever moving target.
Yeah. And, sometimes I try to not think of being "biggest and best" but drop
the biggest and try to do as much as possible within the limits I have.
(Like Helfire for example. Maybe Mike Ulring or Dan can build such a town in
minifig scale, actually probably Dave, Eric K or Pawel for example might be
able to do that too, but I can't. And I won't, not for a while. So I try and
make the most of what I CAN do, and it still turns out somewhat nice.)
> In the future they'll be
> making an ABS patch (like those nicotene patches) for those of us who file
> bankruptcy because we couldn't get enough.
ROFL!
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > > <fog clears>...
> > > http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/inn.html
> <snip>
> Thanks! It's just that near such an amazing thing like the Blood Stone Castle,
> it shrivels away and transforms to a meek little mouse. :-)
You're in good company, in with that Yellow Castle. It's like fleeing an
Imperial Star Destroyer, it is.
Now some word-book-fun. Some neighbors moved away last week and left behind a
heap of books in the junkroom. A curious mixture: History of the Jewish People,
Works of Josephus, New English Bible, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,
Italian Folktales, Castles and Keeps of Scotland...
Of course I have them on MY book heap now. So, cracking open Castles. Facing a
color litho of Castle Stirling, the title page reads "Being a description of
sundry fortresses, towers, peels, and other houses of strength built by the
princes and barons of old time in the highlands, islands, inlands, and borders
of the ancient and godfearing kingdom of Scotland." By Frank Roy Fraprie.
Author of "Among Bavarian Inns." Illustrated. Boston, L.C. Page & Company.
MDCCCCVII.
Apparently, Queensborough Public Library got rid of it, Queens College got it,
threw it out about 1976, and one day my neighbors got it (or never returned
it?) In 2000, it lay in a junkroom. It is safe with me for the forseeable
future. (as if anybody knew anything about the future!)
So, wonderful names of Scottish castles, illustrated: Stirling. Glamis.
Tantallon. Dumbarton. Craignethan (Tillietudlem). Bothwell. Rothesay. Kilchurn.
Gylen. Aros. Dunstaffnage. Inverlocky. Invergarry. Kirkwall. Notland. The Broch
of Mousa. Cawdor. Spynie Palace. Fyvie. Dunnottar. Crathes. Edzell. Doune.
Huntingtower, or Ruthven Castle. Elcho. St Andrews. Newark. Campbell. Niddrie.
Linlithgow. Edinburgh. Holyrood Palace. Craigmillar. Dunbar. Dirleton.
Cessford. Smailholm. Hermitage. Neidpath. Caerlaverock. Threave.
Some 13th century castles: Duffus. Bocharm. Lochindorb. Strathbolgie.
Inverurie. Urquhart. Kildrummie. Kincardine. Brechin. Redcastle, Forfar,
Leuchars, Craill, Douglas, Turnberry, Linlithgow, Yester, Roxburgh, Jedburgh,
Lamberton, Morton, Dalswinton, Lochmaben, Congleton. "as well as many others.
The majority of these have disappeared."
A "peel" is a kind of solitary tower.
This book looks to be chock full of good stuff.
The names just go on and on.
So, take a Scotch name like Craigmillar. What is it? A Crag is a rugged rock or
cliff. Suitable for a castle. I guess it means the mill on the rock, or a rock
that ground up yer enemies like meal. Meal by the way is Dutch from malen,
meaning to grind, and is the root of the word Maelstrom, for a dangerous
swirling stream. (Stromberg anyone?)
(note: meals and mealtime are unrelated to grinding, those come from Old
English mael, meaning appointed hour or time to eat. A coincidence that it is
now spelled meal and means food.)
Caerlaverock. Some castle on a rock? Nay, I think not. I tried breaking it down
several ways, and discovered that a laverok is a lark in middle english,
chiefly Scotch. But possibly, lavoir, Middle French for wash cistern, rooted in
Latin lavare. I don't think Celtic carrus (wheeled vehicle) is relevant. Of
course an ock is a tough, hard, durable tree. I suppose a lark could be a bird
named in association with a castle that was tough like a tree that got washed
everyday. Or the castle could be named for the bird that washes oaks. Such a
pretty name. I could be full of lark kaka by now.
Get a Webster's, gentle reader, and feed your word hoard.
Caerblodrok?
Bloodstein?
Stearblood?
Rokkeblode?
Just different ways to mean blood-stone. Whatever that might be!
-Another Errick
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In lugnet.castle, Erik Olson writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > > > <fog clears>...
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/inn.html
> > <snip>
> > Thanks! It's just that near such an amazing thing like the Blood Stone
> > Castle,
> > it shrivels away and transforms to a meek little mouse. :-)
>
> You're in good company, in with that Yellow Castle. It's like fleeing an
> Imperial Star Destroyer, it is.
Well, that's very comforting. :-)
<snip>
> Castles and Keeps of Scotland...
Sounds like a great book for inspiration!
<snip>
> "...and other houses of strength built by the
> princes and barons of old time in the highlands, islands, inlands, and borders
> of the ancient and godfearing kingdom of Scotland."
That's a great description. Can I coax you to scan some of these? Will bribery
do the trick? :-)
> So, wonderful names of Scottish castles, illustrated: [..]
> Dumbarton.
Such a dumb town! ;-)
> Craignethan
I have to suggest that this is named after an ancestor of our Craig... :-)
> This book looks to be chock full of good stuff.
Definitely!
<snip>
> Meal by the way is Dutch from malen,
> meaning to grind, and is the root of the word Maelstrom, for a dangerous
> swirling stream. (Stromberg anyone?)
Well, Pawel has Strombachter. Maybe it's indirect but that might be the root
of the name.
Thanks for the great language enlightment! It's very interesting, forgive me
from sniping all over the place... I'll take notes of the other bloodstone
names.
-Shiri
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"Erik Olson" <olsone@spamcop.net> writes:
> Castles and Keeps of Scotland...
Barnes and Noble had this a couple years back, and may still do. My copy
says "1993 Barnes and Noble Books".
I was hoping for more detailed pictures and plans, but there is certainly
a lot of historical stuff in it.
--
Don't design inefficiency in - it'll happen in the implementation.
Chris Gray cg@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA
http://www.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA/cg/
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In lugnet.castle, Bill Farkas writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Rob Drechsel writes:
> >
> > > Too bad most of us don't have
> > > the pieces to make castle the size of Bloodstone. Mine is on <cough> one of
> > > the 48x48 baseplates.
> >
> > If it's any consalation, my "castle" is on a 48x32 BP and I can't complete it
> > for lack of pieces.
> >
> > > By the way, I thought your inn was pretty good.
> >
> > Thanks! It's just that near such an amazing thing like the Blood Stone • Castle,
> > it shrivels away and transforms to a meek little mouse. :-)
> >
> > -Shiri
>
> That's what I'm talkin' about. Sometimes it's downright depressing. I mean,
> it's awe inspiring and incredible how huge and intricate some of those • "OPOC's"
> are, yet at the same time it's kinda dis-heartening.
>
> But, the more I think about it, isn't that exactly why we're all so hooked: • the
> fact that the acquisition of "more" is so goal oriented; and that building the
> biggest and best MOC yet is an ever moving target. In the future they'll be
> making an ABS patch (like those nicotene patches) for those of us who file
> bankruptcy because we couldn't get enough.
>
> "I'm NOT PLAYING, I'm CREATING!!"
> Bill
Actually, I think building on such a large scale is actually less satisfying
than smaller scale projects. Huge works such as my castle take years to build
and progress can be annoyingly slow. For example, it can be exciting to come
up with cool innovations like half-stepping out the turrets on my watch towers,
but then having to repeat the process identically five more times really sucks.
Also, each one of the merlons on my castle uses more than 50 pieces and I had
to repeat the design over 100 times around the tops of the walls and towers.
Talk about tedious!
The most satisfying castle project I built was a simple tower keep that
measured only 32x24 studs. I'm keeping this in mind when I build the keep for
my Black Falcolns, which will site on top four standard green baseplates -
fully 1/5 the size of the big red beast.
Dan
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In lugnet.castle, Daniel Siskind writes:
> Actually, I think building on such a large scale is actually less satisfying
> than smaller scale projects. [...]
I wouldn't REALLY know but I tend to agree. My inn is fun and I love it, but
creating Helfire in two hours and having it come out nicely was MUCH more
satisfying. I think my inn could be great when I'm done with it, but meanwhile
it's incomplete and pretty weird looking. (Of coure the ratio between my inn
and microtown are very different than Dan's castle and a small castle... :-)
That's why I'm trying to build my inn in parts. First I completed the first
floor walls, and did not begin the interior until I was completely satisfied
with the walls. Then, I built the 1st floor interior as a switch from wall
designing... for refreshment etc. Now that's done, I like the way it looks and
it *could* stand alone if I wanted it to, so that I don't feel like I have
something unfinished in my hands. I'm on to the 2nd floor now, and it's
unattached to the rest of the inn, so the inn is like a finished product in a
way. I like it and that gives me some excitement, seeing that it came out
nicely.
So my advice to you: when dealing with big structures, build them in parts if
you don't want to be discouraged along the way!
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, Daniel Siskind writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bill Farkas writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > > In lugnet.castle, Rob Drechsel writes:
> > >
> > > > Too bad most of us don't have
> > > > the pieces to make castle the size of Bloodstone. Mine is on <cough> one • of
> > > > the 48x48 baseplates.
> > >
> > > If it's any consalation, my "castle" is on a 48x32 BP and I can't complete • it
> > > for lack of pieces.
> > >
> > > > By the way, I thought your inn was pretty good.
> > >
> > > Thanks! It's just that near such an amazing thing like the Blood Stone • Castle,
> > > it shrivels away and transforms to a meek little mouse. :-)
> > >
> > > -Shiri
> >
> > That's what I'm talkin' about. Sometimes it's downright depressing. I mean,
> > it's awe inspiring and incredible how huge and intricate some of those • "OPOC's"
> > are, yet at the same time it's kinda dis-heartening.
> >
> > But, the more I think about it, isn't that exactly why we're all so hooked: • the
> > fact that the acquisition of "more" is so goal oriented; and that building • the
> > biggest and best MOC yet is an ever moving target. In the future they'll be
> > making an ABS patch (like those nicotene patches) for those of us who file
> > bankruptcy because we couldn't get enough.
> >
> > "I'm NOT PLAYING, I'm CREATING!!"
> > Bill
>
> Actually, I think building on such a large scale is actually less satisfying
> than smaller scale projects. Huge works such as my castle take years to build
> and progress can be annoyingly slow. For example, it can be exciting to come
> up with cool innovations like half-stepping out the turrets on my watch • towers,
> but then having to repeat the process identically five more times really • sucks.
> Also, each one of the merlons on my castle uses more than 50 pieces and I • had
> to repeat the design over 100 times around the tops of the walls and towers.
> Talk about tedious!
>
> The most satisfying castle project I built was a simple tower keep that
> measured only 32x24 studs. I'm keeping this in mind when I build the keep for
> my Black Falcolns, which will site on top four standard green baseplates -
> fully 1/5 the size of the big red beast.
>
> Dan
One nice thing about building on a small project, is that you can do the
interiors without having all of your small pieces disappear. Another is not
having to spend a week or two laying out the foundation so you can move the
model without breaking it.
Rob
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In lugnet.castle, Erik Olson writes:
> Caerlaverock. Some castle on a rock? Nay, I think not. I tried breaking it • down
> several ways, and discovered that a laverok is a lark in middle english,
> chiefly Scotch. But possibly, lavoir, Middle French for wash cistern, rooted • in
> Latin lavare. I don't think Celtic carrus (wheeled vehicle) is relevant. Of
> course an ock is a tough, hard, durable tree. I suppose a lark could be a bird
> named in association with a castle that was tough like a tree that got washed
> everyday. Or the castle could be named for the bird that washes oaks. Such a
> pretty name. I could be full of lark kaka by now.
While I can't answer what the name means, I can tell you that Caerlaverock
Castle was the seat of the Maxwell clan. It's walls never fell to siege (I
don't think) and it was considered one of the strongest castles in Scotland
due to it's unique three sided design.
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Jason Maxwell wrote:
> In lugnet.castle, Erik Olson writes:
> > Caerlaverock. Some castle on a rock? Nay, I think not. I tried breaking it • down
> > several ways, and discovered that a laverok is a lark in middle english,
> > chiefly Scotch. But possibly, lavoir, Middle French for wash cistern, rooted • in
> > Latin lavare. I don't think Celtic carrus (wheeled vehicle) is relevant. Of
> > course an ock is a tough, hard, durable tree. I suppose a lark could be a bird
> > named in association with a castle that was tough like a tree that got washed
> > everyday. Or the castle could be named for the bird that washes oaks. Such a
> > pretty name. I could be full of lark kaka by now.
>
> While I can't answer what the name means, I can tell you that Caerlaverock
> Castle was the seat of the Maxwell clan. It's walls never fell to siege (I
> don't think) and it was considered one of the strongest castles in Scotland
> due to it's unique three sided design.
I think 'Caer' was a Gaelic word for castle. I can't find any proof for that
beyond the great number of castles named Caer <something>, though.
(In addition, two of my favorite series of children's books had 'Caer'
castles in them. The Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander had several
Caers, and C.S. Lewis' Narnia chronicles had Cair Paravel.)
J
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> Jason Maxwell wrote:
>
> > While I can't answer what the name means, I can tell you that Caerlaverock
> > Castle was the seat of the Maxwell clan. It's walls never fell to siege (I
> > don't think) and it was considered one of the strongest castles in Scotland
> > due to it's unique three sided design.
>
> I think 'Caer' was a Gaelic word for castle. I can't find any proof for that
> beyond the great number of castles named Caer <something>, though.
I believe it can also mean "town", or "village", as well. Perhaps it means
"settlement"? I've been meaning to look it up one of these days. :D
> (In addition, two of my favorite series of children's books had 'Caer'
> castles in them. The Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander had several
> Caers, and C.S. Lewis' Narnia chronicles had Cair Paravel.)
The Prydain Chronicles are one of my favorites, too! I need to purchase copies
of that series... :)
Jeff
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> > Jason Maxwell wrote:
> > I think 'Caer' was a Gaelic word for castle. I can't find any proof for that
> > beyond the great number of castles named Caer <something>, though.
I was guessing Gaelic too but it appears to be Welsh.
> I believe it can also mean "town", or "village", as well. Perhaps it means
> "settlement"? I've been meaning to look it up one of these days. :D
Found in at http://www.cs.brown.edu/fun/welsh/LexiconForms.html. It's framed
so you need to run the search yourself but it comes up as "wall;castle;town."
Everyone seems to have the right idea.
> > (In addition, two of my favorite series of children's books had 'Caer'
> > castles in them. The Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander had several
> > Caers, and C.S. Lewis' Narnia chronicles had Cair Paravel.)
>
> The Prydain Chronicles are one of my favorites, too! I need to purchase • copies
> of that series... :)
>
> Jeff
The Science Fiction Book Club has (had?) a single volume of the Prydain
stories. I think there were five in that volume - is that all of them?
John
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John Radtke wrote:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > > (In addition, two of my favorite series of children's books had 'Caer'
> > > castles in them. The Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander had several
> > > Caers, and C.S. Lewis' Narnia chronicles had Cair Paravel.)
> >
> > The Prydain Chronicles are one of my favorites, too! I need to purchase • copies
> > of that series... :)
> >
> > Jeff
>
> The Science Fiction Book Club has (had?) a single volume of the Prydain
> stories. I think there were five in that volume - is that all of them?
Er...mostly. The main series had five books (_The Book of Three_,
_The Black Cauldron_, _The Castle of Llyr_, _Taran Wanderer_,
_The High King_.) However, there are other books & short stories set
in Prydain. The only one I remember offhand is (I think) _Coll and his White
Pig_, but I think there are 2 or 3 others.
J
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> John Radtke wrote:
>
> > In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > > > (In addition, two of my favorite series of children's books had 'Caer'
> > > > castles in them. The Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander had several
> > > > Caers, and C.S. Lewis' Narnia chronicles had Cair Paravel.)
> > >
> > > The Prydain Chronicles are one of my favorites, too! I need to purchase
> > > copies of that series... :)
> > >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > The Science Fiction Book Club has (had?) a single volume of the Prydain
> > stories. I think there were five in that volume - is that all of them?
>
> Er...mostly. The main series had five books (_The Book of Three_,
> _The Black Cauldron_, _The Castle of Llyr_, _Taran Wanderer_,
> _The High King_.) However, there are other books & short stories set
> in Prydain. The only one I remember offhand is (I think) _Coll and his White
> Pig_, but I think there are 2 or 3 others.
>
> J
There are at least two more: _The Foundling and Other Tales of Prydain_, and
the book about Fflewder Fflam. I *still* haven't figured out the name of that
one yet... :\
Jeff
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Jeff Stembel wrote:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> > John Radtke wrote:
> >
> > > In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > > > > (In addition, two of my favorite series of children's books had 'Caer'
> > > > > castles in them. The Prydain Chronicles by Lloyd Alexander had several
> > > > > Caers, and C.S. Lewis' Narnia chronicles had Cair Paravel.)
> > > >
> > > > The Prydain Chronicles are one of my favorites, too! I need to purchase
> > > > copies of that series... :)
>
> > > The Science Fiction Book Club has (had?) a single volume of the Prydain
> > > stories. I think there were five in that volume - is that all of them?
> >
> > Er...mostly. The main series had five books (_The Book of Three_,
> > _The Black Cauldron_, _The Castle of Llyr_, _Taran Wanderer_,
> > _The High King_.) However, there are other books & short stories set
> > in Prydain. The only one I remember offhand is (I think) _Coll and his White
> > Pig_, but I think there are 2 or 3 others.
>
> There are at least two more: _The Foundling and Other Tales of Prydain_, and
> the book about Fflewder Fflam. I *still* haven't figured out the name of that
> one yet... :\
A search on Amazon reveals: The Truthful Harp. Long out of print, unfortunately.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0030656354/qid=963488035/sr=1-101/102-4744656-3148118
J
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