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lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
More details:
http://www.pair.com/Move/
--Todd
[followups to lugnet.admin.general]
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
>
> More details:
>
> http://www.pair.com/Move/
>
> --Todd
>
> [followups to lugnet.admin.general]
Noooooo! How will I survive without my daily dose of Lugnet?? Now I may
actually have to do some... *gasp!* work at the office! Oh, Woe is me...
;)
Jeff
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
>
> More details:
>
> http://www.pair.com/Move/
>
> --Todd
>
> [followups to lugnet.admin.general]
This move will affect the NELUG web site www.nelug.org as well as it also uses
pair Networks as its ISP. This also means that the Mailing list will not work
nor will you be able to send E-mail to any @nelug.org addresses.
Fortunately I will be flying and attending a Christmas party that day so LUGNET
withdrawal should not be a problem for me :-) .
Eric K.
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
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You shoul not have told us. RTL would have beem flooded with panic posts...
and I would have got some work done...
Scott A
Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message
news:38481d23.158537122@lugnet.com...
> lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the • middle
> of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) • is
> moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically • relocated.
>
> More details:
>
> http://www.pair.com/Move/
>
> --Todd
>
> [followups to lugnet.admin.general]
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Jeff Stembel wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> > lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> > of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> > moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
> >
> > More details:
> >
> > http://www.pair.com/Move/
> >
> > --Todd
> >
> > [followups to lugnet.admin.general]
>
> Noooooo! How will I survive without my daily dose of Lugnet?? Now I may
> actually have to do some... *gasp!* work at the office! Oh, Woe is me...
Who works on a Monday? That's why I'm a grad student. ;)
The more...piquing (titillating?) part of Todd's notice is that he mentions the
physicality of LUGNET's server. I wonder, if one went to visit, if we could
"touch" LUGNET...boy, there's all *kinds* of sublimated issues revolving around
*that* one. I must be brick-retentive. Here's hoping nobody slips when rolling
the server around. =:o
best
LFB
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Todd Lehman wrote:
>
> lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
WHAT! What about your SLA with us? I want my money back. :-)
<insert foghorn leghorn impression here>
--
Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
- - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> Todd Lehman wrote:
> >
> > lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> > of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> > moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
>
> WHAT! What about your SLA with us? I want my money back. :-)
>
> <insert foghorn leghorn impression here>
Some offline notes lead me to believe that there might be some who
didn't quite get that this was an attempt at humor: (in best foghorn
leghorn voice "waalll, that's a joke, son") (and the names of those
people may or may not come as a shock to some)
The agreement we all agreed to specifically disclaims any particular
availability commitments.
--
Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
- - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)
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In lugnet.announce, lehman@javanet.com (Todd Lehman) writes:
> lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
>
> More details:
>
> http://www.pair.com/Move/
>
> --Todd
>
> [followups to lugnet.admin.general]
Reminder: This is coming up in just a few hours...
See you on the other side!
--Todd
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In lugnet.announce, lehman@javanet.com (Todd Lehman) writes:
> In lugnet.announce, lehman@javanet.com (Todd Lehman) writes:
> > lugnet.com will be down for approximately three to five hours in the middle
> > of the day on Monday, December 6, 1999, as its ISP (pair Networks, Inc.) is
> > moving to new headquarters and the server needs to be physically relocated.
> >
> > More details:
> >
> > http://www.pair.com/Move/
> >
> > --Todd
> >
> > [followups to lugnet.admin.general]
>
>
> Reminder: This is coming up in just a few hours...
>
> See you on the other side!
>
> --Todd
Back online...
Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
--Todd
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Todd Lehman wrote:
> Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
Like I said before, I want my money back!
Lessee.. take the total time I hope this site is up and in existance,
divide by the outage, and multiply by my donation to get the amount I
want back..
(100 years)/6 hours * (hmm... havne't decided on the final donation yet)
== Some really small number.
Who's got a 1 lira note Todd can use to refund me?
--
Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
- - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Todd Lehman wrote:
> > Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
> Like I said before, I want my money back!
> Lessee.. take the total time I hope this site is up and in existance,
> divide by the outage, and multiply by my donation to get the amount I
> want back..
>
> (100 years)/6 hours * (hmm... havne't decided on the final donation yet)
> == Some really small number.
Actually I'm sure I won't be the first to point out that
100 years/6 hours = a very BIG number. Not allowing for leap years
I make it 146 000. Perhaps you mean the other way round? <g>
Simon
http://www.SimonRobinson.com
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Simon Robinson wrote:
> Actually I'm sure I won't be the first to point out that
> 100 years/6 hours = a very BIG number. Not allowing for leap years
> I make it 146 000. Perhaps you mean the other way round? <g>
You actually were the first... so yes, and no. Because while it appears
that might have been what I wrote, clearly, it can't actually be,
because that would be a misteak. And I don't make those. Ask anyone.
So it was that pesky old reality distortion field thing again.
--
Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
- - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Simon Robinson writes:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> >
> > (100 years)/6 hours * (hmm... havne't decided on the final donation yet)
> > == Some really small number.
>
> Actually I'm sure I won't be the first to point out that
> 100 years/6 hours = a very BIG number. Not allowing for leap years
> I make it 146 000. Perhaps you mean the other way round? <g>
And that's before multiplying it by his membership fee (minumum $10)..
$1,460,000
I submit that Larry didn't manage to finance his Lego collection by making
simple misteaks!
Richard
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Todd Lehman wrote:
> > Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
>
> Like I said before, I want my money back!
>
> Lessee.. take the total time I hope this site is up and in existance,
> divide by the outage, and multiply by my donation to get the amount I
> want back..
<smile>
It's not midnight yet, so I still have my sense of humor for the day, and
on top of that, I know that Larry's joking because he told me yesterday. :-)
But just for anyone following along casually, a LUGNET membership buys
membership in LUGNET, which basically just means a label that you can apply
to yourself and certain other privileges (which will increase over time) on
the server. A membership does not buy time on the server or the right to
connect to it (those are "free like air") and does not imply any sort of
compensation for downtime, outages, inability to connect, etc. (The Terms
of Use even contain explicit disclaimers about this sort of thing.)
Anyway, so much for that. :-)
Now, Mathgeektodd steps in.
> (100 years)/6 hours * (hmm... havne't decided on the final donation yet)
> == Some really small number.
Hey, no, you forgot the 14 minutes. 6 hours + 14 minutes. :-)
Lessee, if your membership lasts 100 years, and you've so far sent $123.50
toward your membership, then that's 365.25 days/year * 100 years * 86400
seconds/day = 3155760000 seconds. Downtime was approximately 6:14, which is
22440 seconds. So 22400/3155760000 = .000007098131670342, and multiplied by
$123.50, that's $.0008766192612873. I guess you're looking for a refund
check of ~9 1/100's of a cent, then? :-) On the other hand, maybe it's not
linear. Maybe the membership is worth 10 times as much to you per unit of
time 10 years from now as it is today, which would value it at even less now.
:)
--Todd
[followups to lugnet.off-topic.geek]
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Todd Lehman wrote:
> Now, Mathgeektodd steps in.
>
> > (100 years)/6 hours * (hmm... havne't decided on the final donation yet)
> > == Some really small number.
>
> Hey, no, you forgot the 14 minutes. 6 hours + 14 minutes. :-)
>
> Lessee, if your membership lasts 100 years, and you've so far sent $123.50
> toward your membership, then that's 365.25 days/year * 100 years * 86400
> seconds/day = 3155760000 seconds. Downtime was approximately 6:14, which is
> 22440 seconds. So 22400/3155760000 = .000007098131670342, and multiplied by
> $123.50, that's $.0008766192612873. I guess you're looking for a refund
> check of ~9 1/100's of a cent, then? :-)
Right. So who's got a 1 lire note Todd can use? (that's actually a
little less...
consulting:
http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?user=larrypieniazek
it turns out to be about 17 lira, or 123 Vietnamese Dong, or (here's big
money!) 1726 !! Angolan New Kwanzaas (pity the OLD kwanzaa...)
Those were the ones that I turned up as being over 1.0 in a quick
search. I think I'll take the Kwanzaa, please. (who ever heard of naming
your money after a holiday??)
Which reminds me, my mother once offered me either a nickel or 5
pennies. I was 4 at the time. I took the 5 pennies because it was
"obviously more money"... and yes I used words like obviously when I was
4. I have a 100 billion German Mark note somewhere. now THAT's a lot of
money. :-)
--
Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
- - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:384CFFDD.D08D2141@voyager.net...
> Todd Lehman wrote:
>
> > Now, Mathgeektodd steps in.
> >
> > > (100 years)/6 hours * (hmm... havne't decided on the final donation • yet)
> > > == Some really small number.
> >
> > Hey, no, you forgot the 14 minutes. 6 hours + 14 minutes. :-)
> >
> > Lessee, if your membership lasts 100 years, and you've so far sent • $123.50
> > toward your membership, then that's 365.25 days/year * 100 years * 86400
> > seconds/day = 3155760000 seconds. Downtime was approximately 6:14, • which is
> > 22440 seconds. So 22400/3155760000 = .000007098131670342, and • multiplied by
> > $123.50, that's $.0008766192612873. I guess you're looking for a refund
> > check of ~9 1/100's of a cent, then? :-)
>
> Right. So who's got a 1 lire note Todd can use? (that's actually a
> little less...
> consulting:
> http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?user=larrypieniazek
>
> it turns out to be about 17 lira, or 123 Vietnamese Dong, or (here's big
> money!) 1726 !! Angolan New Kwanzaas (pity the OLD kwanzaa...)
>
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
Sorry about it, but you can't have 17 Lira (Turkish, right?) since the
smallest one in use is 5000 TL coin..:-) and even it is about to be canceled
soon. The greatest one? Yeah was 5,000,000 till the last month but they
produced 10,000,000 banknotes very recently. I'm being paid with 44 of them
every month. Now, THAT is the BIG MONEY!..:-)
Selçuk
(1 USD = 521,000 TL today, and still going )
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> > Todd Lehman wrote:
> > > Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
Todd, can you tell me how much notice Pair gave you for the outtage
and if you know if they sent word out to all their customers? I was
always pleased with Pair when I used them and I see a fairly major
website claiming that Pair just "up and moved" to a new location,
taking their server offline for 12 hours with no notice.
--
The parts you want and nothing else?
http://jaba.dtrh.com/ - Just Another Brick Auction
Why pay eBay? Run your own LEGO auctions for free!
http://www.guarded-inn.com/bricks/
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Mike Stanley writes:
> Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> > > Todd Lehman wrote:
> > > > Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
>
> Todd, can you tell me how much notice Pair gave you for the outtage
> and if you know if they sent word out to all their customers? I was
> always pleased with Pair when I used them and I see a fairly major
> website claiming that Pair just "up and moved" to a new location,
> taking their server offline for 12 hours with no notice.
The NELUG site is also on Pair and they did give notice that there would be an
outage. It was also not down for 12 hours. I am happy with their service and
them having to move to a larger data center can only be a good thing because it
means their buisness is good.
Eric
>
> --
> The parts you want and nothing else?
> http://jaba.dtrh.com/ - Just Another Brick Auction
> Why pay eBay? Run your own LEGO auctions for free!
> http://www.guarded-inn.com/bricks/
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Well they still have issues. Right now, over a network, access to Lugnet
is slower than it usually is for me when I am over dialup. Very
unscientific but I have to get back to class now...
Last time I did a trace/routed it didn't help shed any light on stuff...
--
Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
- - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com
fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Mike Stanley writes:
> Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> > > Todd Lehman wrote:
> > > > Total offline time was 6 hours, 14 minutes.
>
> Todd, can you tell me how much notice Pair gave you for the outtage
> and if you know if they sent word out to all their customers? I was
> always pleased with Pair when I used them and
I remember hearing about it around Thanksgiving intially, I think -- but
I actually think it was even noted on their website a month or two earlier,
before I really started paying close attention to the date.
I received the announcement via e-mail from Pair Technical Support on
November 20, so I guess that's about 2 1/2 weeks, give or take a day or two.
> I see a fairly major
> website claiming that Pair just "up and moved" to a new location,
> taking their server offline for 12 hours with no notice.
They're full of it (not Pair; the other site). Pair gave more than plenty
notice.
--Todd
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Well they still have issues. Right now, over a network, access to Lugnet
> is slower than it usually is for me when I am over dialup. [...]
Oh, I forgot to mention. Locating the server on triple DS-3's was getting
too expensive. So we had so scale back a bit -- now it's on a 28.8 modem.
;-)
--Todd
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Well they still have issues. Right now, over a network, access to Lugnet
> > is slower than it usually is for me when I am over dialup. [...]
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention. Locating the server on triple DS-3's was getting
> too expensive. So we had so scale back a bit -- now it's on a 28.8 modem.
>
> ;-)
Semaphore flags would have been a faster means of communication earlier this
afternoon! :)
Richard
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On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:42:10 GMT, "Richard Franks"
<spontificus@__nospam__yahoo.com> wrote:
> Semaphore flags would have been a faster means of communication earlier this
> afternoon! :)
Don't you just love the semaphore system? It was ahead of it's time..
20 years before the invention of the telegraph, they set up entire
lines of semaphore stations. I've seen a minor one in France, part of
the Paris-Lyon line. Tres cool.
I'd just like to mention: Pavane series, by (IIRC) Keith Roberts.
Read it, if you can ever find it. (originally published in the UK as a
series of 5 shorts in an SF mag, which is where I read it decades
after the mag was published)
Quick search on Google (God, I love them!) reveals that my memory
isn't failing yet:
http://www.silcom.com/~manatee/roberts_pavane.html
Jasper
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