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Re: Comparing Starfighter Speeds
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lugnet.starwars
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Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:02:59 GMT
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David Koudys wrote:
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> In lugnet.starwars, Jeff Jardine writes:
> > In lugnet.starwars, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
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> > > In dogfighting, the ability to
> > > attain a high absolute speed is secondary to the
> > > ability to maneuver. For example, in WWII (always
> > > a popular referent!) Me-262 pilots, capable of
> > > travelling much faster than any of their opponents,
> > > were routinely shot down by piston-engined P-47s and
> > > P-51s because they were not as capable of maneuver.
> > > The German jets did best when they "lanced through"
> > > a formation of bombers and rapidly shot out of range.
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> >
> > In this example, there are a lot more factors than just speed vs.
> > manoeuvrability:
> > - Many of those 262s that were shot down were jumped during take-off or
> > landing, when their speed couldn't help them.
> > - That late in the war there were very few experienced German pilots.
> > - The Me-262s that saw action performed roles that did not allow them to
> > engage allied fighters, such as bombing and intercepting bombers.
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> > Just because a fast craft is less manoeuvrable doesn't mean it is less
> > effective. It helps if you can lure a slower-turning opponent into a
> > turning fight. Slashing attacks were the norm for P-47s, as well as
> > American fighters in the Pacific. If it were all about manoeuvrability,
> > P-51s should still be in service because they can turn inside an F-16.
> >
> > Jeff J
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> One of the neatest scenes in a movie was in 'The Final Countdown' (Kirk Douglas)
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> When a modern day aircraft carrier (Nimitz if I recall) gets sucked back in
> tome to Dec 5, 1941.
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> There, Douglas has to wrestle with the decision to engage the Japanese
> battlefleet, which was at that time steaming to Pearl Harbour...
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> Anyway, one scene a couple of Zeros are flying unawares towards the aircraft
> carrier, so Douglas orders a couple of F-14's to intercept and stop the Zeros.
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> The F14 flyby you see the Zeros fumbling in the wake of the jetstream...
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> F14's taking on Zeros--yeah, not much of a chance, though if I recall, the
> Zeros did get a couple of hits on one of the F14's
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> A pretty good movie all around--the sci-fi wasn't that far fetched (time
> travel--happens all the time! ;) )
There was a neat SF short story I read once about a modern fighter
winding up in WW I. The pilot quickly determined that the only way his
aircraft was effective was to create a sonic boom shock wave as he
passed the enemy fighters. I forget if the problem was the heat seeking
missiles couldn't find a target or if the missiles didn't realize they
had hit anything.
Frank
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| (...) One of the neatest scenes in a movie was in 'The Final Countdown' (Kirk Douglas) When a modern day aircraft carrier (Nimitz if I recall) gets sucked back in tome to Dec 5, 1941. There, Douglas has to wrestle with the decision to engage the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jan-03, to lugnet.starwars)
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