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Direct from the Eastern Block Scientific Research Directorate: Theory of 'Track' Evolution A subset of Interplanetary Evolutionary Biology The nature, physical and chemical, of organic molecules provide life with a finite number of genetic traits (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Arg. On a geeking note, there was a Star Trek theory that followed the same idea...transposing it to parallel development in planets. They invoked it in the one were the planet Zion was transformed into a Nazi state. However it ended up being (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) So, you wanna run with the big dogs, do you Jr Marshal? I would argue that life has a finite number genetic traits for any one population. However, space offers infinite possibilites. The combination of even the smallest changes in environment (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Take dis steenking thread to Cuba!! And no funny bizness... <waves Vapomatic™ Raygun> (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Hodgkins' Law of Parallel Planet Development Tribbles to me! -Felix (bored at work) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Congrats sir! I thought that might have been it, but I'll take this as confirmation! As your prize.... (URL) :P -G (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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-snip (...) either that or kick the big dogs in their knee caps. hehehehehe. (...) but you have a limiting factor of planets that can sustain life at all. But the theory states "given the physics and chemistry of organic molecules". I would argue (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Hah! Thanks Gil. Can I put that up over at the Aquarium? -Felix (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Absolutely! -G (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) Well, I just had to chime in on this.. My take on this is that while there might be a finite number of organic molecules, the combinations of molecules are infinite. A given trait might have one or two molecules to express itself, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) I guess the other fly in the oinment might be the assumption that there is an immutable 'Law of Physics'. As the quantum areas of physics are being explored as they relate to huge distances, spans of space etc, it is becoming more apparent (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) I agree, but for that scientists have defined life on earth as what they have seen, and we still don't know the full potential other elements may have in slightly altered environments. But, (prepare for extreme geekiness) where would a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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-snip- (...) Well, that's not necessarily so. Dinosaurs lacked the ability to adapt in the same manner that mammals did. That is what makes humans so powerful, adaptability. Of course, it also limits us. the age old pull between adaptability and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) I'm not so sure about that. I think humanities one true claim to being anything close to superior are our language skills. (...) I wouldn't listen to a biologist. (URL) Biologists are dumb>. Well, we're assuming the base of any and all life is (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Adaptation is a certain aspect of what happened to the dinosaurs, but still, such an event as a cataclysmic global event doesn't leave much to adapt to. Even humans would have a rough time if we weren't forewarned. (...) And how many words can (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Which came first the chicken track or the egg track? :-) I'd also like to tackle the bandying around of the word infinity in this discussion. To have infinite combinations of molecules you'd first need an infinite number of molecules. I think (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) More than that, we're assuming the base of any and all life is molecular. As there are an infinite number of possible molecules, logically there are an infinite number of lifeforms. That also assumes all life is molecular. What about energy (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) I don't think so. The facts don't support it. I may be getting off the intended topic, but I thought I'd just bring some facts to light. It's been mentioned in this thread that we make major assumtions on the basis of life. Same for basis of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) This theory only applies to organic lifeforms (ie, carbon based ones). To expand it into energy based lifeforms, or even non-organic lifeforms requires a philosophical definition of life, which is difficult at best. Either way, they would fall (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Are you sure all organic lifeforms are carbon based. That is a pretty big assumption. Sure it holds true on earth (at least as far as we have explored) but what about other planets? Also, you did not comment on my previous statement: (...) I (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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In lugnet.space, Mike Petrucelli wrote: snip (...) snip (...) I believe that there is some decent speculation, if not actual study of the possibilities of silicon and other metalloid elements (boron maybe?) In Star Trek, Vulcans have green blood (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Seeing how organic can refer to carbon, no it is not a big assumption at all. Also, we have plenty of examples on earth to draw on, and I don't believe there are any which are not organic in nature (IE, carbon based). Even drawing from (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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XFUT to lugnet.off-topic.debate (...) Well, like it was mentioned before: "organic" means "carbon based." And no, I'm not 100% sure that all life is carbon based, but seeing as there is no evidence whatsoever of any other type of life, then, using (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) Yes, why isn't anyone speculating on this? Let's explain Star Trek's Q in these terms- you can't. Life may not always be molecular. Scientists have constrained the definition of life because they (so far) have only needed to explain it in (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.space, FTX)
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