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| | | (...) I haven't seen too many references to French naval ranks in the Napoleonic period. The "Piratic Era" might be better considered ancien-regime; at least there, the ranks are standard. One of the problems with the Revolution, Directory, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) OK--I've checked both in English and in French on the Web, and I've found nothing that's obviously a list of French naval ranks. I think you'll have to go to academic tomes, but I don't yet have any titles for you. How's your French? Do you (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | In lugnet.pirates, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: OK--I've checked both in English and in French on the Web, and I've (...) My French rates even worse than my access to a good library :-( I've found some references to "enseigns" (1st and 2nd class) (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) OK--I've checked both in English and in French on the Web, and I've found nothing that's obviously a list of French naval ranks. I think you'll have to go to academic tomes, but I don't yet have any titles for you. How's your French? Do you (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Adrian Drake
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| | | | | | (...) I'm disappointed in your web searching skills, LFB :) I found this page after about a minute. It's a web page that lists a lot of different country's ranks of their various military branches. Unfortunately (or not) the ranks are in the native (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | (...) because it's modern (Fifth Republic). From ancien-regime through Republican through Napoleonic, there's considerable variation in organization; whether or not this was reflected in rank orders is not something I'm certain of. I mean, for LEGO (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | (...) Excellent. I hadn't found a mention of "Lieutenant de vaisseau" (although it seemed obvious that the French would have a Lieutenant in there somewhere). And I hadn't found any mentions of enlisted ranks. Cheers Richie Dulin (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Kenneth Tam
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| | | | (...) Hmm... now I might be on the wrong page here, but I would always have expected only commissioned officers to command vessels -- at least in Britain. In other words, Commanders for the Brig and the Sloop (depending on the latter's size) and (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Richie Dulin
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| | | | (...) I'm considering a gunboat to be a large, sloop rigged open boat with a single forward mounted cannon. I'm presuming it would probably be/could be stowed aboard a larger vessel (1). Later gunboats were definitely larger vessels, and would have (...) (23 years ago, 26-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Kenneth Tam
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| | | | (...) Aha! Makes sense to me! I've come across a number of instances where gun brigs and cutters were listed as gunboats, but that definition clears things up neatly. (...) The very same! (...) Well, I have a feeling that after the Nile, the French (...) (23 years ago, 27-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | (...) Later gunboats were also designed for river penetration and close-in assault and, frankly, terror operations against foes without similar capability. The earlier definition seems like the more piratical one, though. :D (...) Political (...) (23 years ago, 27-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Kenneth Tam
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| | | | (...) Quite right. Napoleon never had a grasp of the Navy. I mean, embarking his Grand Armee into light vessels and trying to get out of port in the space of a few hours... those 'send the army on porpises' made more sense, for crying out loud! (...) (23 years ago, 27-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: French Navy Ranks —Kenneth Tam
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| | | | (...) I just pulled my copy of 'Conway's The Line of Battle' off the shelf, realizing I should have looked earlier on this subject. Apparently, the French *invented* the mortar ship back in the mid 17-century. The book wasn't too specific on the (...) (23 years ago, 27-Mar-02, to lugnet.pirates)
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