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Re: Coolest Brickshelf account
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lugnet.people
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Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:33:18 GMT
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In lugnet.people, Kevin L. Clague wrote:
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Maybe I was doing something noble too? It can happen. I was standing up for
my friend Rosco. Maybe I don’t read as much into Rosco’s writings as Larry
does. One could read Rosco’s post many different ways. I guess there is no
room for a little friendly ribbing?
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I’m guessing that Larry didn’t know it was ribbing, or else he’d have tried to
join in. Sometimes Larry has difficulty telling what is a joke and what isn’t.
But when I read Rosco’s post, albeit with kidding involved, there is the subtext
that John is the only one making a fuss about this and that he should stop.
Larry was standing up for John’s right to post whatever he wants, especially
something that is meant to share a resource with others (possibily newbies).
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To me, the simple outsider, Larry’s response to Rosco’s post was an attack,
provoking a fight, trying to win by posing hypothetical arguments, rather than
substantive information. I merely stuck up for my friend.
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You aren’t a simple outsider and you didn’t merely stick up for a friend. If we
want to continue the fight metaphor, John did something, Rosco laughed at him,
and Larry said “hey, don’t laugh at him - he’s doing something good.”
Your first post in this thread isn’t
sticking up for Rosco, it’s throwing a punch at Larry for Rosco. You are snide,
derogatory, and mean. You call Larry a bully, which might be true from your
point-of-view, but how many times has that inspired Larry to not be a bully?
Are you being at all effective in that?
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I didn’t like Larry being content police when he was an admin, and I still
don’t like it when he is not. I beleive that diplomacy is not one of Larry’s
strong suits.
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Why Admins need to be content police is because the community doesn’t police
itself. Larry is now part of the community, and he is free to post whatever he
likes. I’m glad that he does what he thinks is best for the community, and I
wish more people would speak up. Larry wants civil discussion. He might not be
good at it, but yelling at screaming at him because of his shortcomings isn’t
creating civil discussion either.
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Never once did I complain about his organization skills or his work ethic.
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Nope, you applauded his resignation. Which, IMHO, is really really bad form.
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We wouldn’t be having this conversation if Larry had interpreted Rosco’s post
through this perspective, but he did not.
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Yep, but the point is whether we chose to escalate or to deescalate. And
despite whatever Larry did, you chose to escalate. You bear the sole
responsibility for your own actions. I could have written a very mean email
back to you - and I did - but I deleted it and started over. My hope was to try
to get you to back off of Larry and give him some space to work on being a
better person. Calling him a bully repeatedly doesn’t do that.
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I only see Larry as being bulligerent in some of his posts, and for some of
them I point it out.
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Maybe there is a better way of dealing with these situations than just calling
it like you see it. Maybe we could try to be diplomatic and kind?
-Lenny
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) If that were the tone of Larry's post, you would never have heard a word from me. (...) Ahh. You are upset with me calling Larry a name, yet you call me three different names in one sentence. I'm not chastizing your for that because that would (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jun-05, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| (...) I'm glad you explained this Leonard, I didn't know that John was a friend of Larry's. Maybe it would have helped me understand how the tone went from "possibly a little ribbing", to totally confrontational and combative in one step. Maybe I (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jun-05, to lugnet.people)
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