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Re: Walker Sumo Revisited.
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Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:18:28 GMT
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> No, the task is to build a balancing robot that can push over another
> balancing robot.
There's a difference. The task of say getting black bricks out of a box of rice
is not the same as "build rice sorting robots". One of them implies a way to do
something up front.
> Or only allowing pieces manufactured by The LEGO Group?
> NO, it's NOT unnecessary limitations. It's just the rules of the game.
There's rules which need to be there to keep things from getting stupid. Size
limitations, construction techniques. We only allow Lego pieces because it's an
easy rule to enforce and it makes people think creatively. Otherwise we'd get
RC gyros, custom milled delrin components etc.
Then there are rules which rule out an approach. Again, there's a difference.
Say in the "rice game" we have two rules:
-No Non Lego Parts.
-Robots must use a rake mechanism.
If I built a robot that used a vacuum instead of a rake, the first rule I can
still deal with. I can build a vacuum using cans of CO2 air OR I can use
pneumatics. The second one I can't deal with-because I'm forced to do a certain
thing.
> As you pointed out for Pipe Racers, one approach was to build a "robot" that
> would dis-connect itself from the pipe, and re-attach itself to the other end of
> the pipe.
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> But an approach which was not allowed was to have a robot with an internal power
> suppily, follow the pipe, while the power suppily remains stationary, at the
> starting location.
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> Is that ruling out potential design approaches?
Yes, because they're dangerous to other competitors. If you want to play by the
rules, you'll note that the BrickFest Pipe Racers explicitly rules out external
power supplies because the cables will tangle other competitors.
Anyways, you shouldn't complain-the added weight of your battery box came in
handy on the downstroke.
> hmm. Like Last Bot Standing? (Sumo six inches off the ground)
> Pipe Racers? (Sumo on a pipe)
> Raders of the Lost Part? (Sumo in a box of rice) Yes, that's right. It's just
> another sumo event. Control the rice box, and you control the game.
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> None of these are "Real" rtl events, because you guys don't do sumo.
I'm saying in general, every frickin robotics competition does the base contest.
Aaargh.
I'll take the criticism on Last Bot Standing--it's only different from the
"average" sumo by one factor. I won't on Pipe Racers or Rice, because you could
also then call Maxwell's Demons (from Dave Schilling) a sumo-game. Control the
playfield, and you control the game. Hell, you can consider climbing the
corporate ladder sumo-control office politics and you control the game.
This argument is much better than the random crap we've been seeing on rtl as of
late...at least it's on topic :)
Calum
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| In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote: <snip> (...) Well hello Mr. Fancypants--like the banter about television is distracting from the "rtl"ness of the board! ;) Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| (...) (SNIPAGE) (...) yep, all that other off topic stuff was really getting on my nerves. I for one will try to refrain from posting about my gastronomic endeavors. Chris for lunch i have McDonalds. they gave me a free coupon saying that at (...) (21 years ago, 22-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
| | | Re: Walker Sumo Revisited.
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| (...) Well, back to the original subject of this thread. "Walker Sumo" That kind of implies a way to do something up front. In a normal sumo event, few people would enter a walking sumo, even if it is allowed by the rules. It wouldn't have much (...) (21 years ago, 22-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| (...) ... (...) No, the task is to build a balancing robot that can push over another balancing robot. (...) hmm. You mean like every form of auto racing? Try build a car to go as fast as you can. But the car has to follow these rules. Or playing (...) (21 years ago, 22-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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