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  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) HEY! i was on that "joke" as you call it. and we were VERY SLOWLY making inroads as to where to go. I mean a motion was tabled, someone took charge. items were discussed. I think the LPRC served a purpose and had an outcome that I was pleased (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)  
 
  Re: a fight at the playground
 
(...) Yeah, I guess you and Chris Magno are right. I really should just set my skip filter and learn not to intrude. The spotlight on the original post and the word CAD pulled me in, sorry. So I suppose I should probably cancel the post? Is there an (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Big Box with the Yellow Sticker of Joy
 
(...) Yes, and surprisingly I've discovered they are not that difficult to follow. Looks as confusing as hell though, when you see the last step first. (...) No, I think we just laugh at you. :-) Derek (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) Addressing each of these points (for MLCad as that's what I'm most used to): Learnability: Low Efficiency: Very high (that's where features comes in) Memorability: Decent Errors: Very low (none really) Satisfaction: Highish However the (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
So, I had this HUGE rebuttal to Don's post, and I swear the commuter crashed just before I hit send. I took it as a sign that it was TOO HARSH. so I'm going to summarize it with this: ----snip----- Don, When you are done servicing larry, why dont (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)  
 
  a fight at the playground...Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) You mean you had hope that something useful would come from this newsgroup? I guess you haven't been watching very close. (...) That's right. What gives Calum the right to speak his mind? Who put him in charge, anyway? (...) How many examples (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) Hi Calum: I’ve done reasonably extensive MOC-modeling, and I’ve written a large number of parts, so I like to think that I’m no slouch re: LEGO-based CAD. However, I’ve never had success with any platform other than the original LEdit. Every (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) "Infuriating" is a rather strong word, but I definitely find all the LEGO CAD systems I have tried suboptimal. Unfortunately I'm a lazy bastard who spends more time thinking about how to solve the problems than actually solving them. (...) I (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, lugnet.cad)
 
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  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) Exactly. It's easy to mock. I've mocked committees before. Heck, I thought the LPRC was an April Fools joke - and look how right I was about that. (...) But the point of enthusiast organisation committees is that they think they need them. If (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) Learnability is one aspect of usability. If you want to use Jakob Nielsen's definition: (URL) others, such as efficiency, memorability or satisfaction, I cannot comment on, I couldn't get past the first one. Error correction I have to say (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Big Box with the Yellow Sticker of Joy
 
(...) that? :) And you guys laugh at me for making mistakes in assembling Technic models. Calum (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) Yes and? (...) Listen, any rtlToronto member will clearly tell you I'm the most administrative of anyone here. I administrate for a living. I just came home from a 10 hour stretch of administrating. :) So don't get me wrong, I believe in (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Big Box with the Yellow Sticker of Joy
 
Sorry, but WTF? (URL) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) I'm not an active user of Ldraw et al, and haven't been for many years now, but I do maintain an interest. My reasons for no longer being an active user are many and varied, but I wouldn't particularly highlight lack of usability among them. (...) (19 years ago, 1-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: More Mocs for the HS... (was Where do we go from here)
 
(...) It would be great to see the Bobs return.... and its builder. :) So long as the speed control is working properly, the Bobs is a wonderful model to see in action. So who else is coming? If people would prefer not to publically post their (...) (19 years ago, 31-Aug-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, lugnet.loc.ca.on)
 
  More Mocs for the HS... (was Where do we go from here)
 
(...) Dave and Alan et al, I know, I know, I already told you I would be "playing",... but could you please also reserve some room for my bud Tilt, who will be bringing some sort of ride (shocking eh?), maybe the return of Bob, or maybe a new one (...) (19 years ago, 31-Aug-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, lugnet.loc.ca.on)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) snip (...) I would never disagree with my esteemed rtl associate, but if I can do it, anyone can do it-- (URL) This was a simple one. My truck, as seen on this page (if you scroll down just a tad) was way more involved, yet still quite easy to (...) (19 years ago, 31-Aug-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, FTX)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) I think that by usability you actually mean learnability which is somewhat different. I agree that most of the Ldraw CAD tools are not that easy to learn. They do not have dedicated teams to make them so. I think that, at heart, CAD is a (...) (19 years ago, 31-Aug-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 
  Re: Am I the only person who finds Lego CAD systems infuriating?
 
(...) I can't honestly say they're THAT much better. I've had equal frustration with both the LDraw editors AND LDD. They're broken in different ways. There's been a lot of effort made to repackage the LDraw tools to make them easier to install, to (...) (19 years ago, 31-Aug-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)  


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