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| | | (...) laf. That's the paradox. I think we won't know until we try it. I've seen physicists get cross eyed thinking about it. Some say that _no_ time will pass at all! But again, this is what I remember from highschool, and my memory isn't that good (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) As I understand it, the time dilation will occur for the occupant of the fast-moving ship, who will experience dilation relative to the stationery observer. The traveler won't notice the slowing of time, since everything in his frame of (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | (trimmed out .space - they don't care!) (...) but isn't that the whole point of relativity? who's moving and who's standing still? (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, I usually like to consider myself the Lorenz Reference Point of the universe, so it's anyone who's accelerating relative to me! Seriously, I see what you're saying--to the person in the ship, the "stationary observer" (which, by the way, (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Everyone is moving. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) 8^) Certainly, but one of the two parties is moving relative to the inertial reference frame and one is not. Am I correct in thinking that the occupant of the ship will experience Doppler Shift of light while the "stationary" observer will (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Does this mean once a person is travelling at a particular velocity (e.g. .99c), he will not feel any further time dilation effects if he is no longer accelerating? IOW, is time dilation only experienced during acceleration? Jude (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The actual slowing takes place during acceleration, but it will persist at the slowed rate once acceleration ceases, lasting until the traveler drops back into the other (apparently stationary) inertial frame. Dave! (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe. I don't understand it well enough. Lemme think about the headlights thing.... For someone standing on earth, light is moving away at about 300,000km/sec. Then, say we have a spaceship, moving at half the speed of light relative to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | Just looked this up in Britannica Online. (Search for "time dilation"). Acceleration definitely plays into it. *All* clocks in non-accelerating motion relative to an observer run slow by his/her frame of reference. (Thus potentially causing (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Not quite sure what you mean by "inertial" and "noninertial," since as you point out previously *everyone* is moving. However, within a local inertial frame the Doppler shift of light can be identified to be of a particular character (I don't (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Jay Jacinto
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) However, some are moving in a certain way as to make it indistuigishable as to who is moving. i.e. me moving away from the universe is equivalent to universe moving away from me. (...) The equations are equivalent no matter what inertia frame (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, thanks for throwing a monkey wrench into it for me. How do the famous de-synchronized clocks fit into this? Obviously one of them slowed down relative to the other. Do we infer that the ground-based clock decelerated sufficiently to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Jay Jacinto
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) observer (...) Acceleration is bad ju-ju, since it isn't accounted for in special relativity. It's only in General Relativity that we get gravity thrown into the mix, and that's taught in grad school. However, from a strictly special (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, that's what I don't get, as well. The terms "inertial" and "noninertial" come from the britannica article, and they mean "non-accelerating motion" and "accelerating motion". But I'm not sure how to tell which is which without an absolute (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) acceleration _is_ absolute - you can measure it, you can tell when your speed is constant. you _cannot_ tell what that speed really is though. not without a point of reference. (...) if the earth started accelerating, everyone and everything (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ahh. Ok, that makes me feel better about things. :) (...) Yes, that makes much sense. (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Adrian Drake
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, everyone is moving, but the important thing is how people are moving in relation to each other. That's why it's called the theory of Relativity. Adrian -- www.brickfrenzy.com (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Jay Jacinto
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| | | | | | (...) Hi, let's do some math. IIRC T = t/(sqrt(1 - (v/c)^2) where T: time elpased for stationery observer t: time elapsed for moving observer v: velocity of moving observer c: speed of light assuming minimal acceleration. T = 11.5 yrs. Experiments (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: Relativity Question —Jennifer L. Boger
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| | | | | (...) no, he's right, it's terrible. :) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.space)
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