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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) If the US gov't were to break down, laws are irrelevant, and we're back to... who said it, Lock, Hobbes? can't remember polisci 101 (such a long time ago)...'natural law' or, as I like to think of it, 'He who has the biggest stick, rules' The (...) (22 years ago, 19-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Yup. A very valuable one. (...) I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, but if not, then we agree. The pinnacle of civilization _is_ the understanding the the power (all of it...the ultimate power of military projection as well as the power of (...) (22 years ago, 19-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) No he doesn't! He's a namby pamby anti-gun leftist. :-) (...) Yes it is. (...) What if the system doesn't allow reform? (...) The US is founded on the notion that recurring revolutions _will_ be needed. And I don't see how a revolution (...) (22 years ago, 18-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
[snip] (...) I absolutely agree with this. [snip] (...) Well you may call it yapping about the 2nd amendment but that is a fundamental right. Without said right all other fundamental rights are unenforceable. Let me put it this way (again); A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights, Who needs them? (was Re: Abortion...
(...) I was not trying to hide that Larry. And I did alert any readers to that fact - which is what you chose not to answer my questions. That aside, looking at the tone of some of the LP aims, I feel that they do not care too much for the rights of (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) I am only responding to this one part because after reading Larry's reply it occurred to me that this part is intended as a kind of snare -- frankly, a rather lame one at that. I am tolerant of others' views unconditionally -- that is to say (...) (22 years ago, 15-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) What exactly do you mean by that? That all of yours are indeed fact? The FACT is that the POA stands-- defending it one way or the other is opinion. But I am willing to drop the whole issue until it is decided by the SC. But I know that if (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) I don't like to see John stating his own opinions as facts either, esp. when much of what he has to say is contrary to the facts as understood and accepted by the rest of us. The Constitution trumps all other laws. Even the preamble is not (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Overview of Changes to Legal Rights
(...) I am curious as to how far along that bill is. I would find it very hard to believe that Congress would pass that. Even if they did, I would find it extremely hard to believe that the Supreme Court would NOT rule it unconstitutional. Blatant (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) But if I want to say the official pledge, then by definition I have no choice but to speak the phrase. That's the problem, and, in addition, one's choice not to say the official pledge is easily construed as a lack of patriotism, which is (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) I am merely looking at the actual documents themselves as they would appear to someone who wasn't aware of their author's intentions. Thus, I take "Creator" to be a reference to God, you take it as evolution (how inalienable rights stem from (...) (22 years ago, 12-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
John: You are looking at past history and past rhetoric with blinders on. Part of The Enlightenment project was to break with the "divine right of kings." That's why there is language of that type floating around. I am not saying that there weren't (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Aren't we a little more mature than this? 'He who carries the biggest stick rules the sandbox...'? I obey the law because it's the law, not because the cops have guns. It's the mature, 'evolved', inherently right way of doing things, such (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: IP ( was Re: LP POINT 1
(...) Many people are "exploited" if you define it widely enough. Isn't being an employee exploitation? Actually, weren't you being exploited by the system when you were going to school for free? You were being incented by the masses to behave in a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Apples and Oranges... In this one, a bonafide extra-curricular school group deserves the same status as any other extracurricular school group. It'd be like saying--'Hey you in the Chess club--we think you're geeky so you don't get any (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: LP POINT 1
(...) If you rummage around, you’ll find that there are plenty within the LP who voice decent at every thing from your sign up clause (“I do not believe in or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or social goals.”), to (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		LP POINT 2
LP POINT 2 Larry If an individual were to find him/herself in your propertyist dreamland with no food, no water, no education, no money, no property and starving. What rights would he/she have? Which right would be strongest: 1. The right of the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: LP POINT 3
(...) I'm hardly Libertarian, but I think I can field a few of these: (...) Sure, as one is able to discriminate now, based on race. Not currently in terms of employment or pay, but the right to associate or not to associate is spelled out very (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Criminal Justice
(...) As a point of clarification, are you speculating that recidivism might result from confinement-based punishment because such punishment is separate from actual guilt-consequences of the committed crime? (...) Escaping from what? I think that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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