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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:55:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> [snip]
> >
> > My point is that it is okay to protect *all* matters of freedom of religious
> > expression up and until people fly planes into buildings... k, that was a
> > little far--my personal philosophy has *always* been that anyone can believe
> > what they want as long as it never infringes on other peoples beliefs. Your
> > non-belief in any god has absolutely no bearing on my belief in God.
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> I absolutely agree with this.
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> [snip]
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> > > Exactly! If the Congress had done the right thing, it never would have
> > > issued its endorsement of religion in the first place, and think of the
> > > money that would have been saved! The problem occurred because in 1954 the
> > > Congress stepped in where it shouldn't have (believe it or not).
> >
> > Agreed, but when good politicians do what they consider good things for good
> > reasons at the time... look at the 2nd ammendment for what may happen years
> > down the road when new situations and different worldviews arise--what was
> > once a good idea, now becomes vague, disconcerting, derisive and causes no
> > end of yapping from all sides--times change and we should be adaptable and
> > not be beholden to something that was written in a time that isn't today.
>
> Well you may call it yapping about the 2nd amendment but that is a fundamental
> right. Without said right all other fundamental rights are unenforceable. Let
> me put it this way (again); A politician can not infringe upon the rights of
> the people so long as the people can shoot said politician for trying.
Aren't we a little more mature than this? 'He who carries the biggest stick
rules the sandbox...'? I obey the law *because* it's the law, not because
the cops have guns. It's the mature, 'evolved', inherently *right* way of
doing things, such that if we all obey the law, we don't infringe on others
(in my perfect rose-coloured glassed world, the law is there to cover such
contingencies where people infringe on other peoples rights and freedoms--no
more than that ;) )
If a law is unjust, then there are ways and means *within* the law to deal
with such contingencies--laws are written for the time they are written
in--as time passes, situations change and laws have to adapt to the changing
times--but that's a tangent...
So you are part of a well regulated militia are you? That's the only way
you should have a gun--if you're not part of the militia, then the 2nd
ammendment doesn't apply to you.
> [snip]
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> > Now that is a point worth making, and that is what I surmized from your
> > original post, but it wasn't totally clear, though looking at my post, it
> > wasn't clear that I support the official removal of 'under God' from the
> > pledge, so my bad too.
> >
> > It is now stated and I wholeheartedly agree with you--we need consistancy
> > with rulings, and the bias of a lifestyle should not be the defining
> > factor--if something is found unconstitutional, that unconstitutional ruling
> > should be supported, when the ruling is in favour of your personal beliefs
> > *as well as* when the ruling goes against your personal beliefs.
>
> When the Pledge issue first started I was indifferent to the whole thing,
> thinking it was largely irrelevant. Having reasearched and actually thought
> about it I realize that this is a serious violation of the 1st amendment. It
> should never have been enacted in the first place. So I agree that 'under God'
> should be removed. That would not affect those that do believe in God but
> leaving 'under God' is a serious affront to those that do not believe in God.
Agreed.
> As far as the school club, why should any 'optional' activity be disallowed
> because of religion (or lack there of as far as the oppisite viewpoint goes)
>
> -Mike Petrucelli
Again, agreed.
Dave K
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