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(...) Minor point: Christmas is of Catholic origin, springing from Constantines pronouncement of Rome as a Christian Empire. They kept their basics practices and just changed the name plates on the base of their idols. In the Pilgrim days Christmas (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes: [The pope's] (...) Fascinating! Can you provide a cite? Maybe the pope is catholic(1) after all :-) 1 - in the secular meaning of catholic ++Lar (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I heard it twice on the radio, but yes, I will try to find a print citation of it later today. Right now I'm off to Seattle for my first official LUG meeting! Can't believe it! Bill (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Christmas that is celebrated today is bits and pieces of a variety of traditions and religions from all over the place. If you are refering to the name, yes, that comes from the Roman Catholic Christ Mass. Various Christian sects have (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not Catholic, but I've generally found myself in agreement with all the Pope's previous statements. There must be some kind of mistake - I just can't see him saying something clearly un-Biblical like that. SRC (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But I also hinted at the fact that Constantine kept the old practices under new names, which was a round about way of saying what you said in the first part of the above statement. (...) I wasn't making any such statements, just pointing out (...) (24 years ago, 17-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's what I found, I believe this is what the radio program was referring to: (URL) particular, the second paragraph. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but that's what all the hallaballoo is about. Bill (24 years ago, 17-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I read this: In today's general audience address, the Pope said: "All the righteous on earth, even those who do not know Christ and his Church and who, under the influence of grace, seek God with a sincere heart, are ... called to build (...) (24 years ago, 17-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't say that you did - I was just pointing out the silliness of the whole situation. (...) A knowledge of history makes me feel enlightened. (...) I think you have an extremely narrow definition of "Biblical Christianity" not shared by (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A few margin notes to chew on... (...) Another reason was to prevent the establishment of a papal bloodline as a competing ruling lineage. (...) As well as heretical Arabs, of course. 8^) (...) Interestingly, there is extant a copy of a letter from (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, geez, Bruce.. who'd you expect him to root for? By the way, in the NFL, he likes the Saints. ++Lar (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good point, though the Borgias kinda skirted that one. :-) (...) Absolutely. (...) The general level of education was so low, yes, there was a fear they wouldn't understand what they were reading. But there was also an implied threat to the (...) (24 years ago, 18-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I took it as if you were accusing me of what you stated above. Again, I was only pointing out the obvious differences - which is why they remain Catholic and others don't become Catholic. Some people like one and some the other. I wasn't (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bill Farkas wrote: <HUGE snip> (...) Bill, the only real problem I have with you is that when others defend, you call it whining, when you defend, it's Defending. Pot. Kettle. Black. Fess up to either both sides (including YOU) as whining or (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanx Tom, I see your point. I think sometimes it has to do with reading something in the "tone" in which it was written. I think we all sometimes assign a "tone" to a post, in our own minds as we read it, that might not accurately reflect the (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And there are many people who argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just as valueless an argument. (...) These are your interpretations. (...) Well they interpret it differently, go argue that with them. (...) Not according to (...) (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you attend Catholic school? St. Catherine's, by any chance? Just curious, Dave! (24 years ago, 19-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Hi Dave!, Don't tell me you're from Allentown also? Oh, and no to your second question. Sorry to be so brief, I wanted to spend more time in response to this and Bruce's message but...the Matriarch of the Farkas family in Allentown (my (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I lived in the town itself until I was about 5, but I lived in the general area until moving to college. I only attended St. Catherine's for Sunday School, but I thought it would be a cool "small world" thing. (...) I'm sorry for your loss, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) My condolances. Here, I'll start again in hopefully a less confrontational manner and try and make clear my position. From a certain standpoint, Catholicism introduces things that, personally, I would agree are of a debatable Biblical (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Bruce Schlickbernd wrote in message ... (...) Did you realise this is in .fun, Bruce? Kevin (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ummmmm, errrrr, of course! I planned it that way - yeah, that's the ticket! It was a subtle commentary on debates about Christianity in general. Glad you caught the wry humor - I wondered if anyone would appreciate it. Bruce _ :-0 (Edvard (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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I wonder if Todd would find it as funny as you seem to? I certainly don't think it ought to be in o-t.fun - kindly take it to the appropriate forum for this kind of discussion. -- Cheers ... Geoffrey Hyde Bruce Schlickbernd (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Wow, this is a new one on me. Seems that the veneration of Mary is reaching new heights...."co-redemptress"? Equals? -John (...) (24 years ago, 23-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Todd would be smart enough to figure out that somebody changed the newsgroup in the reply thread and that I simply didn't realize it. So yes, he'd probably find that funny - I mean, the laugh's on me! Which is something you didn't seem (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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