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(...) I think it depends on the auction format and location, but for the most part I believe it falls into the "just evil" category. For those of you that didn't know, if you run an eBay auction without a reserve price, you *are* allowed to bid on (...) (26 years ago, 10-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) Honestly, I don't know, but I can't imagine it would be any other way. (...) <laughing> To me, that's the seller equivalent of the same problem I have with griping about being outbid at the last minute. Unless some really unusual (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess the question there (eBay) is -- if you bid on your own thing on eBay, does it show up as a bid from you, the seller? A seller bidding on his/her own item at eBay shouldn't be evil (still dumb, maybe, but not evil) -- *if* it's clear to (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would never shill. I did put a reserve price on the auction, though. Maybe one that is too high, given the slow bidding, but then again most eBay bidding takes place in the last few hours/minutes. I used to hate reserve prices, and I still (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes it does. I was researching a seller's previous items sold and noticed once that the seller was also the high bidder on an item. I questioned the seller and his reply was that a friend without Internet access wanted the item so he placed (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't jump to conclusions... I would be inclined to give the seller the benefit of the doubt. As a case in point, easily 1/3 of the items I bid on in Auczilla VIII were for 'off-line' friends, and that jumped to about 1/2 of my bids for (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) benefit (...) The point I was illustrating (not clear enough, sorry) was not to assume the guy was lying about his off-line friend. James (URL) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) That is precisely the kind of situation for which a reserve price is meant. I'm usually not a fan of reserve prices either, but they are indeed a good alternative to high minimum starting bids, as you pointed out. <snipped him pointing (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How is that a case in point? You didn't sell anything in AucZILLA VIII -- I did. (And I've never shilled, and never will.) --Todd (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK cool, that's what I thought you probably meant. It certainly was clear for anyone who's been around for a while. I just wanted to point out in no uncertain terms for the record (since there are always new people coming online and getting up (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If he was the high bidder what difference does it make? It was his set, and he was the high bidder. He still had to pay the eBay fee, I bet, so if he did sell it to his offline friend things worked the same as if he had sold it to the second (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because adding bids increases demand for the item. So any bidding activity from the seller is suspect. It's a matter of trust. I have a friend who sells at craft fairs. She reports that the thing that increases her sales volume is to have (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, blisses@worldnet.att.net (Steve Bliss) writes: [...] (...) [...] I've noticed that sort of thing too! Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. :) Last summer, the nextdoor neighbors had a garage sale and asked us if we had (...) (26 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am not sure I'd call it a "shill" but I think it's reasonable, if you decide to run a joint RTL/eBay auction, to set up another id, post feedback stating that it is a proxy for the high RTL bidder and that you'll tell who if emailed (tough to do (...) (26 years ago, 15-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that's a good idea. (26 years ago, 15-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it is a fair idea (meaning that the process is a fair one). I don't believe that this is consistent with eBay's terms of use. Each ID must be a real person (not quoting the exact language of course). In fact eBay policy is changing on (...) (26 years ago, 21-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I personally wouldn't care if it were consistent with the terms of use. In fact, I e-mailed people like this long before I ever created an active eBay user account, just because people used their e-mail addresses as their user-ids. Now that I (...) (26 years ago, 21-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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