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| | | (...) It's fairly clear-cut that it *is* their reason for being. You may argue about whether they fulfill that mandate, but their reason for being and the intellectual trajectory that generated them are right in line with the idea that intellectual (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | Lindsay, I seem to be repeating myself. But anyway... (...) cal truth is much more complex. Hmm.. Well, from the people I have heard talk about this, they are high up, this is another debate I don't want to get into anymore.... (...) en we're in an (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | (...) I agree that history, math, and etc., are important, but isn't teaching about caring for the environment important too? Is your fear that they're not learning both, or is it mostly from the fact that they're learning this at all? (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | (...) Caring about the environment and worshipping it are two different issues, and I don't think the present environmental movement, with its willing participants in the education system, is healthy. Kids should know both sides of things, not (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, if you don't learn anything else, it probably won't. But stewardship of our resources is one of our most important tasks as human beings, and it arguably benefits everyone to learn tools to help with that. (From a christian standpoint: (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, but not with the militant attitude of the modern environmentalist movement. (...) Hmmm, I just read over Genesis 1:26 - 28, "The God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) "Rule" is a complicated word, of course. KJV says "let them have dominion over". I don't know what the original hebrew uses, or the cultural implications of the concept when this was put into writing. My understanding is that ancient hebrew (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) Screw leaded gasoline - look at the dumping of heavy metals in every-place-they-can-find, historically. And lead, cadmium, and all the rest are much more heinous in those sorts of concentrations than in leaded gasoline. There's less problems (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | [pardon the major snippage of Every Debate Known to Man ;) ] (...) I'm in agreement that it's flawed. I think where we differ is that I think it's better than nothing, whereas you believe that nothing would be better. Until it happens, the question (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Lindsay, (...) That's a good summation, if only I would prefer it to at least get to the community level. However, during the current administration, I don't anything will happen anyway. It has been a good discussion, for the most part. We can (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | (...) Ugh, no global government, please! Ours is bad enough, thank you very much! I would love to see that monster come out. Speaking of the Bible, Matt, did you ever read Revelations? The one world government? (...) Corporations are private (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, and I've seen other such texts. I certainly wouldn't want a one-world government like that, and that's not what I'm advocating at all! (...) Ok, now we're back to the rights discussion. I don't see how a corporation gets the right to do (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | (...) Surprisingly enough, I agree with you on this in many ways, although there are some problems where I see a federal (or yes, even global) government as unavoidable. And I think that those problems are ones that are increasing more and more as (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Matt, (...) Well, going on the UN, and other organizations, like EU, etc. I would hope the US never joins it. (...) This whole rights discussion is pretty funny, Matt. Let's see, if corporations have no rights, than we should not have rights, nor (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Art Debate —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) it's better than nothing, whereas you believe that nothing would be better. So do I, by the way. One of the worst beliefs most politicians have is that in response to a perceived or actual crisis, it's always better to Do Something than Stand (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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