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Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]
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Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:38:48 GMT
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Matt,
Matthew Miller wrote:
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> Scott E. Sanburn <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> wrote:
> > Ugh, no global government, please! Ours is bad enough, thank you very
> > much! I would love to see that monster come out. Speaking of the Bible,
> > Matt, did you ever read Revelations? The one world government?
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> Yes, and I've seen other such texts. I certainly wouldn't want a one-world
> government like that, and that's not what I'm advocating at all!
Well, going on the UN, and other organizations, like EU, etc. I would
hope the US never joins it.
> > Corporations are private organizations, made by citizens. They are
> > totally different than the government, and the public has no right to
> > tell them what to do. Shareholders do. I think this evil corporations
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> Ok, now we're back to the rights discussion. I don't see how a corporation
> gets the right to do _anything_.
This whole rights discussion is pretty funny, Matt. Let's see, if
corporations have no rights, than we should not have rights, nor should
the government.
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> > deal is just plain wrongheaded. I guess I can correlate this way: I feel
> > the same about government as you do on corporations. However, you can
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> That is likely a very fair statement. And this is why the rights discussion
> is important. It's not developed far enough to talk about this yet, so maybe
> in a little while. I'll definitely remember this and get back to it.
What is your view on rights, where, if anywhere, do they come from, do
any rights exist, etc.? You seem to be so wrapped up in the rights
discussion, that when points are made, no matter what they are, you go
back to the rights issue.
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> > boycott corporations if you don't like them. I get arrested and thrown
> > in jail.
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> On the other hand, with government, I have the right to vote if I don't like
> it -- we have a concept of one person, one vote. Corporations affect my life
> (and would even more in the libertarian utopia where corporations do
> everything)
How do corporations affect your life? I love the debate by some consumer
groups about the AOL / Time Warner affair. You have a choice to be a
customer or not. Time Warner and AOL are not going to send in their
forces against you. They don't have the power to take your freedom away,
or your property. The government can, does, and will do so again. I only
have an AOL account because my mom likes it, and I am paying for her
access. I use cleanweb.
> but unless I have enough money, I can't affect them much --
> it's one dollar, one vote. (And the dollars needed for necessities don't get
> to be very good votes.)
You seem to harbor a very bad view of corporations, for no reasoning
other than they are "evil", don't do any good, etc. I can list several
examples of why I think the government is out of control. Can you list
some corporations and what they do, for my reference? I would assume
most of them would be environmental reasons, but I will what for you to
tell me.
Scott S.
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