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In lugnet.inv, John Patterson wrote:
> I don't believe that I made accusations about anything.
Then please, leave out the commentary. You come across as being condescending,
insulting, and rude. If you have corrections that you want to post to Lugnet,
well, fine I guess. But if your intent is to start a flame war so that it draws
attention to Peeron's accuracy issues and puts pressure on them to correct the
problems, then you can expect:
1) people will get angry at you
2) Peeron may intentionally ignore you
> I do not think that it takes more time to correct than what it takes me to
> figure out the correct inventory.
That's not really the point. If you could afford to spend 60 hours a week doing
inventories, great. But Peeron admins will NOT make that same committment.
> Do you not agree that the inventories have a major problem? Perhaps
> I expect too much, I was just commenting on the time it takes, which is a
> fact. I come from 24 years in the military and then I managed a corporation
> for the next 14 years. I just took it very seriously when mistakes were made
> and corrected everything that I or one of my soldiers or workers did as
> quickly as I could.
See, here's where people are taking offense. You're "just commenting" on the
"facts", but you do a fine job making sure to sound insulting. Peeron is NOT a
military organization, and volunteers are not PAID for their contributions.
You're implying an unfair comparison.
Is Peeron on the level of professionalism as a multi-million dollar corporation?
No. Will it be? Not unless you're planning on funding them. Your expectations
seem to be unreasonably high for a volunteer effort.
I'm glad you want to put the effort in fixing the problems, and I'm grateful
you're doing your best to keep accurate records. And if you want to spend a lot
of time doing it, that's wonderful. But other people aren't necessarily as
dedicated as you are.
> I really do not want to get into a long drawn out he said she said thing.
You seem to. I expect you're relatively new to the online environment as well.
Both these are evidenced by the fact that you have a tendancy to reply to nearly
every response that your posts generate, without adding content. Perhaps you
feel that it is a common courtesy to reply, but it's not always the case in the
online world. By continuing to post replies and degrading commentary, you
further the impression you DO want to turn this into some sort of long, drawn
out argument.
> I will just post what I find, send the corrections to you and let what
> happens with them happen. I will make no editorial comments that may be
> construed as "not nice."
That would be great.
> It seems that a lot of people here are more concerned about how something is
> said rather than what is said. I noticed that on the back and forth comments
> about Brickfest and their profit if there is any.
Does this suprise you? Notice your reply in the earlier discussion (I could
probably find many more, too):
http://news.lugnet.com/inv/?n=294
That entire sub-thread is riddled with you being annoyed with several people,
while providing little or no actual information. In short, I'm trying to point
out that you yourself cared about how people were treating you. As a result, you
should expect people to care about how you treat them and others. Humans are not
machines, and typically they will reply to BOTH informational and emotional
stimuli. That's not something that's unique to Lugnet, it's human behavior.
Anywhere you go, if you start appearing to insult noble volunteer efforts that
people value greatly, people will react poorly to your comments, and probably
poorly to you personally, thanks to the precedent you set for yourself.
I expect that any worthwhile discussion following my post will be concerning
behaviorial issues and/or netiquette, so FUT set to .debate.
DaveE
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| (...) Thanks Dave: Thanks Dave: I treat others well. If anything is rude it is the people that take apart every comment I make, which I really do not give a hoot about. The inventories are messed up; I am trying to fix that. Almost every one I look (...) (18 years ago, 3-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Thanks Dan. I don't believe that I made accusations about anything. I just said that it is taking a long time to make the corrections. I realize that there are volunteers and I would be willing to volunteer. I do not think that it takes more (...) (18 years ago, 3-Apr-07, to lugnet.inv)
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