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Re: peeron inventory
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:15:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Patterson wrote:
> > If anything is rude it is the people that take apart every
> > comment I make, which I really do not give a hoot about.
>
> Yes you do.
>
> - "If anyone is spring loaded to the piss off position it is you."
> - "Valium might be in the future for you, or high blood pressure. You really
> need to calm down."
> - "remember 7 comes after 6 and before 8, perhaps that will help."
>
> I could probably find more quotes if I hunted. You do seem to care that people
> are angry with you. If you didn't, you'd just ignore the rude comments and focus
> on the facts. Which you do sometimes. And sometimes not.
>
> > The inventories are messed up; I am trying to fix that. Almost every one I
> > look at needs work. I would just expect the effort to fix to be the same as
> > the effort to put the inventory on in the first place.
>
> Well, it isn't. I believe (though I'm not sure) that accepting a new inventory
> is FAR easier than accepting one of your corrections. Probably because new
> inventories get submitted by people in machine-readable format, and the Peeron
> maintenance interface is easier to deal with for new entries than fixes. Also,
> as Dan has pointed out, there is *NO* way to prove that you've been any more
> dilligent than anyone else, and a correction is essentially a contest of "who
> should I trust". Compare that with a *new* inventory, where you're accepting
> somebody's word as opposed to ... nothing.
>
> > I have made no attacks on anyone on this web site.
>
> You have repeatedly accused Peeron of not caring about quality, which is false.
> Should I quote you again? If you want to talk facts, just talk about where
> they've made mistakes, and get focused on fixing them. Accusing someone of not
> caring is, in my eyes, an attack.
>
> > I think that the umbrage comes from the fact I am finding so many mistakes in
> > the iconic peeron inventories.
>
> To a certain extent, you're right. If you walked into a church service during a
> Sunday sermon, and started yelling valid but insulting accusations at the
> pastor, you probably WOULD get some negative feedback despite the validity of
> your claims.
>
> > Instead of attacking me Davy why don't you spend your time
> > as a volunteer and help peeron get the facts straight.
>
> Why don't you? How did your last post (the one I'm replying to) help? Know how
> I'm trying to help? I'm trying to get you to focus on the issue at hand without
> calling Peeron admins incompetant, lazy, disrespectful, or uncaring. I'm trying
> to get you to ignore the emotional side of it, because if you DO, it will quiet
> down the angry noise on Lugnet, and make Peeron more likely to accept your help.
>
> Right now? I think you've ruined your chances of becoming an assistant Peeron
> admin by about 100%, thanks to your attitude. Maybe not, I dunno. In a perfect
> world, it would be based purely on your competance and drive, at least the
> latter of which has been proven. But as we've seen in the Lego world (and
> elsewhere), part of administration is being respectable in the eyes of the
> community. And that's something you're losing. If people don't respect you, they
> won't listen to you, and they'll try to fight you. If you drop the whole
> emotional accusation part, maybe you can earn some respect. And maybe your
> corrections will go through faster. Heck, if you showed the right attitude and
> showed some technical prowess, maybe you could even earn an admin spot on
> Peeron. And then things would be peachy keen.
>
> > The only comment I have made about peeron is that they are slow.
>
> Apparently, I *DO* need to quote you:
>
> - "they do not appear to want to spend the time to truely produce a quality
> product."
> - "I don't know if they now have sponsers so they do not care about the quality
> of the product."
> - "I have nothing to gain by this, Peeron does if they care."
> - "Dan won't even answer an email."
> - "there is little concern at Peeron (except for Clark) with regard to the
> correctness of the inventories and posting new pictures of sets and parts."
> - "I just feel that you would want the listing to be the best they could be and
> I can help if someone on your side is willing to put the effort into it."
> - "they have never answered an email from me when I pointed out a mistake here
> and there."
>
> > As to how I feel about people saying things about me: I have faced gun fire
> > in Iraq during Desert Storm, stood on the Sinai and watched Arab troops
> > lobbing motors our way, and spent a year in Viet Nam watching out for hidden
> > taps, explosions and average Vietnamese people shooting us. What ever a
> > bunch of people playing with plastic toys (which includes me) say won't hurt
> > my feelings.
>
> Look, if you didn't care, why would you be posting? You care about Peeron being
> correct, and you've said that. Multiple times. What good does it do to reply to
> me? I know why I'm trying to reply to *YOU*, but why you're replying to *ME*,
> except insofar as you're trying to vindicate yourself, because you feel hurt or
> threatened by what I've said, is beyond me.
>
> > You seem to be far too thin skinned.
>
> I wouldn't say that. I'm responsive, to be sure. To think that you've somehow
> injured me would be too presumptious and incorrect. BUT, to the extent you're
> defensive about yourself or Peeron's accuracy levels, I'm defensive about your
> attitude.
>
> > If this is arrogant so be it. You seem to be arrogant too.
>
> In some ways, that's likely true. I've personally been close to the Peeron and
> Lugnet adminship for a long time, and I even have some degree of abilities on
> each site, so my position is a little different than most. And I'm pretty
> confident in what I've told you. If you want to perceive that as arrogance, I
> suppose I could agree with that.
>
> But then again, right back atcha! Your posts have a swaggering arrogance about
> them, the way you tote your age, military service, OCD, and staggeringly large
> collection size.
>
> But then again, I'm not sure why you felt the need to call me arrogant. If, like
> you've suggested, you want to get over the whole emotional thing and start
> working towards something positive, you've spent an inordinantly large amount of
> time being counterproductive.
>
> > And you are probably the knucklehead that sent me the picture.
>
> Calling me arrogant is fine. I think that's possibly warranted. But if this
> "picture" was of the sort that I'm assuming it was (probably crude and
> degrading), this accusation was baseless, rude, and flatly wrong. Apparently,
> you don't know me.
>
> DaveE
If it was not you who sent the picture, I am sorry.
I do agree Now that I have said some things that I should not have. Those are
the examples you quoted above. I was fustrated at months of waiting for changes
to appear and Dan didn't answer my emails even before all this started. I
believe that the first one I sent asked if they received the corrections. If I
remember correctly, I did ask again, in reference to 001. When I posted on
Lugnet Dan said it must have got stuck in his spam. He has said that to me on
on Lugnet three or four times, so I was fustrated. When all is said and done I
am just trying to help. I will forgo comments and take your critism to heart.
You seem to be rather level headed.
The only reason I memtion the size of my collection is that I am able to check
these sets with the real set and instructions. It is a once in a lifetime
opportunity for Peeron and if I did not care I would not take the extra time to
send these in.
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