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I swear... (Re: New colors and other info)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:18:50 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Soren Roberts wrote:
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I move that Richard recieve a Golden Stalin award, for excellence in
furthering the cause of useless whining.
Take care,
Soren
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While I don’t doubt for a second Richard’s ability to defend himself, let’s have
a bit of a rationality check here.
First, for all you keyboard lawyers bleating about a breach of the TOS, consider
this clause:
4. LUGNET and its owners and/or operators do not control or censor content in
discussion groups. The LUGNET discussion group server is provided as a “store
and forward” mechanism “as is” without filters, which means that you may
encounter material which you find offensive. IT IS YOUR SOLE AND INDIVIDUAL
RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR OR FILTER CONTENT TO A LEVEL APPROPRIATE TO YOURSELF
AND/OR YOUR FAMILY. If you are under 18 years of age, ask your parent(s) or
guardian(s) for permission and/or supervision before using this service and make
sure they have read and understood this Terms of Use document.
All the ‘protect the children’ raving is spurious from my reading of this
clause. It is neither Lugnet’s nor the posters responsibility to censor post
content, it is the responsibility of the parent of the child to monitor what
they are reading/accessing on the internet. Certainly self censorship is common
sense and the normal ‘rules’ of polite conversation apply, but Richard’s post
hardly warrants the amount of handwringing that has resulted from it, and if you
have actually read the TOS all I can say is, you were warned you might read that
sort of thing and you accepted that when you signed on.
Next, consider the clause that has apparently been breached:
(do not) Post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous,
defamatory, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, profane, or indecent information of
any kind, including without limitation any transmissions constituting or
encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil
liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national, or international
law.
Certainly Richard’s post could be considered abusive, but only in the sense that
some people consider cussing to be abusive (personally I consider it more like
punctuation), but frankly, Jon deserved it with his snide little defamotary post
that is at least as much a breach of the TOS as the response it generated, yet
there was not a single post chastising him for that (ok I guess Eric’s could
almost count). Apparently only swearing draws out the choir, and to be blunt,
the stream of posts that every little cuss word generates is far more tiresome
that the cussing itself.
Finally, consider clause 12.
(do not) Stray hopelessly off-topic without moving the discussion to a more
appropriate location. (There is a fair amount of leeway here, since it is
natural for discussions to drift, and moving a discussion can sometimes be
inconvenient or difficult. If in doubt, appeal to common sense.)
I would suggest that Jon’s post is in breach of this clause in addition to
clause 5, arguably as is every post following it (including this one), unless
you count this as ‘other info’.
I guess I’m making a few enemies with this post ..shrug.. My fundamental point
is if someone came into a public forum making comments about me as Jon did about
Richard I’d be inclined to respond in a similar fashion that Richard did.
Cheers,
Allister
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) "Bleating"? Okay, Richard, since I was the first to site the Terms of Use (not "TOS" Terms of Service), did I "bleat"? Feel free to send me email and curse away. :-) (...) You misunderstand the disclaimer. This is a protection device for (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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